Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 11th Jul 2006 07:22 UTC, submitted by Dan Warne
SuSE, openSUSE According to APC Magazine: Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 includes the most fully integrated desktop search we've seen on any operating system, which is a crowning achievement for Novell.
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Compared to spotlight?
by Shane on Tue 11th Jul 2006 07:43 UTC
Shane
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2005-07-06

How does the beagle integration in SLED compare to spotlight (OS X)? That would have been worth exploring in the article perhaps? As it stands this article tells me nothing I didn't know about beagle, and nothing I didn't know about SLED. Except that he claims that SLED's implementation is the best bar none, but without giving any indication as to why.

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RE: Compared to spotlight?
by kaiwai on Tue 11th Jul 2006 07:51 in reply to "Compared to spotlight?"
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2005-07-06

How does the beagle integration in SLED compare to spotlight (OS X)? That would have been worth exploring in the article perhaps? As it stands this article tells me nothing I didn't know about beagle, and nothing I didn't know about SLED. Except that he claims that SLED's implementation is the best bar none, but without giving any indication as to why.

One has to look at the bigger picture, in respects to SLED; the big problem that comes to MacOS X and the enterprise is the lack of long term support, a roadmap that has some vague direction as to where MacOS X is going; lets assume those two are corrected in Leopard, then next issue is, that companies will face; is it hardware upgrade time?

For SLED, the basic question which companies need to ask themselves is whether the cost of migrating to SLED can be matched by an improvement in productivity OR whether a move to Vista could yield similar results and a lower costs.

SLED does have a future in the enterprise, but what it needs are better RAD tools, and more ISV support.

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RE[2]: Compared to spotlight?
by evangs on Tue 11th Jul 2006 08:10 in reply to "RE: Compared to spotlight?"
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2005-07-07

It's the morning here in the UK, and it's the time of day where I'm not at my best. I might be missing it completely, but how does your reply address the OP's question, "How does it compare to Spotlight?"

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RE[2]: Compared to spotlight?
by unoengborg on Tue 11th Jul 2006 10:27 in reply to "RE: Compared to spotlight?"
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2005-07-06


For SLED, the basic question which companies need to ask themselves is whether the cost of migrating to SLED can be matched by an improvement in productivity OR whether a move to Vista could yield similar results and a lower costs.


This is a fair question. To most companies running win2k or XP, the answer would probably be not to upgrade at all. XP and 2k allready contain the functionality they need, perhaps with the exeption of desktop search. A better option to them would be to use some kind of add on product, such as google search to remidy the lack in search capabilities.

Regardless what OS you upgrade to, an upgrade will be costly, not only in the form of licensing of the OS, but also in man hours for installation, testing and perhpaps upgrading of third party and in house developed software, training, new hardware,...

The problem to Novell and even Microsoft is that the things allready installed out there, more than cover the business needs for computing. The naive belief that upgrading to the next version, without any cost/benefit analysis should solve every problem you can think of, that was so common in the age of the IT-bubble is long gone in most companies.

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RE: Compared to spotlight?
by Anonymous Penguin on Tue 11th Jul 2006 08:13 in reply to "Compared to spotlight?"
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2005-07-06

A major advantage of spotlight is, if I happen to be logged in as root (hardly ever necessary) I can still use it.
That is not the case with beagle.

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RE[2]: Compared to spotlight?
by dumbkiwi on Tue 11th Jul 2006 08:29 in reply to "RE: Compared to spotlight?"
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2006-01-02

Why would anyone be logged into a graphical shell as root?

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RE[2]: Compared to spotlight?
by somebody on Tue 11th Jul 2006 15:56 in reply to "RE: Compared to spotlight?"
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2005-07-07

A major advantage of spotlight is, if I happen to be logged in as root (hardly ever necessary) I can still use it.
That is not the case with beagle.


Wow, more than one question poped up.

1. you're logged in as root? what purpose for?
2. don't you know that limitation you talk about is daemons not indexing. daemon has to be run as unprivileged, GUI can be run as any user. and yes, search does work.
3. why would be using search as root be MAJOR advantage if you say it is hardly ever necessary?
4. are you lacking good excuses why would spotlight be better than beagle? Face it it is not. If one disables beagle, system provided searching trough files still works. This is not case with spotlight. Disable it, Command-F, type "pdf" and see what it finds, zero.

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RE: Compared to spotlight?
by stuhood on Tue 11th Jul 2006 15:15 in reply to "Compared to spotlight?"
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2006-07-11

IMO the first thing I noticed that blows Spotlight away is that in SLED10, search is integrated into every file chooser. Every time you click 'Browse...' or 'Open...' for instance, you can immediately find what you are looking for. Handy.

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Does Spotlight take forever to build an initial index too?
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I don't know about 'forever', but it isn't possible to build a search index instantly. Depending on how many files you are indexing when you first install, it will take more or less time.

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RE[2]: Compared to spotlight?
by somebody on Tue 11th Jul 2006 16:18 in reply to "RE: Compared to spotlight?"
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2005-07-07

"
Does Spotlight take forever to build an initial index too?
"
I don't know about 'forever', but it isn't possible to build a search index instantly. Depending on how many files you are indexing when you first install, it will take more or less time.


Actualy, you're wrong. Default method is non-intrusive and it takes as parent said forever. But you can run by setting EXERCISE_THE_DOG variable and in that time indexing runs at full speed.

[more explanation in this e-mail]
http://beatniksoftware.com/pipermail/tomboy-list_beatniksoftware.co...

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RE[2]: Compared to spotlight?
by rm6990 on Tue 11th Jul 2006 19:11 in reply to "RE: Compared to spotlight?"
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2005-07-04

"IMO the first thing I noticed that blows Spotlight away is that in SLED10, search is integrated into every file chooser. Every time you click 'Browse...' or 'Open...' for instance, you can immediately find what you are looking for. Handy. "

That's funny, in every file chooser on my Mac, I see a spotlight box....perhaps I've been drugged and am hallucinating (for the past half a year)????!!!!!

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RE: Compared to spotlight?
by MikeGA on Tue 11th Jul 2006 22:09 in reply to "Compared to spotlight?"
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2005-07-22

From the ridiculously brief and lacking in content article, there was one difference that I found rather interesting:

Apparently, the process of Beagle actually indexing a file is exposed in the UI, so you can stop it if you want.

This worries me slightly, I mean, when will the file be indexed again properly? And it also rather suggests the developers have little faith in the indexing being "unobtrusive."

Personally, I think the indexing should be taken of completely behind the scenes. There's no reason why the user should ever have to no what is going on index-wise, in the same way they shouldn't have to know how the hard drive is handling its cache at a particular moment.

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RE[2]: Compared to spotlight?
by searly on Wed 12th Jul 2006 08:26 in reply to "RE: Compared to spotlight?"
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2006-02-27

I think he was referring to the firefox plugin. Basically you can stop beagle indexing the weebpages you visit. There is the beagle icon at the bottom right corner of the browser window. You click on it, the icon displays crossed out, beagle now stops indexing the webpages you visit. You click on it again, the icon displays normally again, beagle will start indexing the websites you visited again. Simple and transparent.

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