Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 22nd Jul 2006 21:15 UTC
Linux Toby Richards wrote an opinion article for NewsForge, claiming that for him, Linux won't get mainstream until Evolution - or another capable Outlook-like client - gets optimized and offers 100% compatibility with Exchange. In the comments section of Newsforge readers offered more reasons as to why Linux is not mainstream, offering a view on their needs. My take: While for my personal, home usage of Linux my needs are different, I agree with Toby that companies won't switch their desktops if full Exchange compatibility isn't reached and if Evolution stops being the memory beast it currently is.
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by flywheel on Sat 22nd Jul 2006 21:54 UTC
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Yet another "Why Linux Isn't Mainstream/Why Windows rules and Linux sucks" article - how extremely boring.

Funny I haven't met anybody, that likes working with an exchangeserver. IBM Notes on the other hand - and its right there for Linux

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RE: Hmm
by elsewhere on Sat 22nd Jul 2006 22:19 in reply to "Hmm"
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Funny I haven't met anybody, that likes working with an exchangeserver. IBM Notes on the other hand - and its right there for Linux

Maybe, but good luck finding anyone that like working with a Notes client on any platform.

I've heard dozens of reasons from engineers about why Domino is better/more robust than Exchange, I've yet to find a single person that finds the Notes client itself anything but horrible. Myself included.

My own organization's IT dept is actually being forced by the higher ups to conduct a feasability study for migrating from Domino to Exchange. We've been on Domino for years as our global messaging platform, but Notes is consistently the single biggest complaint across all of our divisions, including the higher ups. When evaluating our annual employee surveys, consistent hatred of Notes has been highlighted as the single common thread that unites our various business units. It is pretty much universally despised across all regional and cultural boundaries. And it's a kick in the nards everytime we acquire a company and force them to migrate, the complaining never stops.

If IBM was smart they'd read the writing on the wall, seize the opportunity and just produce a simple optimized Notes groupware client and spend a little more effort on making the interface useable. Something that weighs in at, oh, let's say less 200MB and doesn't require a reboot to flush the orphaned processes when it frequently crashes. Something that doesn't try to utilize a gui designed more than a decade ago that still looked clunky back then, even by Win3.1 standards.

How many people forced to use the Notes client are actually running Domino-based collaborative applications besides mail and calendaring?

Even their Sametime IM client is awful. Given a choice, I'd rather just go back to cc:Mail. Well, almost anyways.

It will be interesting to see the new client paradigm, using Eclipse as a platform-neutral application framework. The thought of running an already horribly bloated app like Notes under Java gives me the willies, but hopefully they've made attempts to optimize and clean it up a bit.

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RE[2]: Hmm
by butters on Sat 22nd Jul 2006 22:43 in reply to "RE: Hmm"
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Notes has its share of problems, to say the least. I don't think you'll ever see Notes get smaller, but you'll see its interface radically improved:

Also agree on the default Sametime client (you can't even click on links and have them open in your browser), although "NotesBuddy" is much more capable replacement for Notes users. I find that GAIM with the Meanwhile plugin is an excellent Sametime client, much better than IBM's in-house Sametime client for Linux.

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RE: Hmm
by aGNUstic on Sun 23rd Jul 2006 03:15 in reply to "Hmm"
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`Funny I haven't met anybody, that likes working with an exchange server. IBM Notes on the other hand - and its right there for Linux.`

I work at a small university in its IT department. We have, what I nick name, two `Extra Change` servers. One old and, of course, new. There is an AD migration in process across campus. The people performing this migration are in near daily agony.

I listen to these people daily and they've been working in this area for well over two decades each. One has nearly 40 years in. EC is not quite as friendly as marketing would have you believe.

One even asked me to trade all my BSD, Linux, and Unix servers for her MS EC servers. You can proably guess my response as it was mixed with laughter.

I sometimes wonder how far they would get without a wizard or a rather expensive call to a little company in Redmond.

In any case, define mainstream. Seriously. I see it bantered about by arm-chair or home-based critics who've never run an industrial-level mail server on a daily basis.

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RE: Hmm
by chiwaw on Mon 24th Jul 2006 05:56 in reply to "Hmm"
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Funny I haven't met anybody, that likes working with an exchangeserver.

*Waving my hand*. Glad I'm your first. I'm sure if you search a little bit you should find, say, a few millions.

Seriously, I work for a moderate sized company (250) which I agree is nowhere near the size of some F500 companies. But we're still at zero complains on that dept. Exchange goes the distance for us, and then some.

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