Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 6th Aug 2005 20:49 UTC
SkyOS SkyOS Beta 8.5 has just been released. New features include the Indexing Service, an SQL based file attribute and content index service which makes it possible to find your files in a fraction of a second, better developer support, and a lot of bug fixes. NVU has also been ported and is available in this release. You can read the changelog here. Update: Screenshots gallery by OSDir.
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RE: hmm
by bornagainenguin on Sun 7th Aug 2005 08:07 UTC in reply to "hmm"
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2005-08-07

Why do the comments alwaystend to focus on GPL and not on the tremendous (or so we're told) improvements in SkyOS itself?

Hmm...perhaps its this wa for the simpl reason that if SkyOS /were/ under GPL then it would be possible to test out the fcuking thing--as it is all these once intresting announcements on OSNiews.com ammount to is recollections of the 'Look at my new toy!' handwaving so many of us recall from childhood visits to the neighborhood spoilted brat who always had th cool toys that only his 'extra special but only for today bestest friend'....

Make the betas releasable under some type of beta-testers' license allowing for bitorrent release and incorporate some kind of time bomb (ala Winows 2003 Server betas) to prevent any use of the betas after the final reease and most importantly make the debuggers and error reporting tools on by default so as to nab any and all useful info....Then, THEN you might find more of us discussing the behavior of the latest features, and what hardware support has een improved ala the intresting post commenting on the length of time decreasing to install as compared to earler betas. And what d'ya know all without costing Robert anything in extra bandwith (except maybe for the phone homes in those error reportng tools) and it may even lead to (Gasp Shock) more sales down the road by someone who triedout the betas and remembers them fondly.

As it is now...we're bored already with hearing about how great this new toy you have is and would like to either discuss ways to convince you to let us pay too or would like to play something else, something you don't need to be a 'cool kid' to play with.

--bornaganpenguin

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RE[2]: hmm
by Anonymous Penguin on Sun 7th Aug 2005 08:20 in reply to "RE: hmm"
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2005-07-06

Apropos new toys: darn, your nick is better than mine, LOL!

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RE[3]: hmm
by bornagainenguin on Mon 8th Aug 2005 07:19 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm"
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2005-08-07

>>darn, your nick is better than mine, LOL!

Glad you like it, it took me a while to consider just what I'd like in a new name--one that reflects my current feelings with computers and operating systems...bornagainpenguin was I felt highly appropriate given my old username was iWindoze (something intended to play off the whole iMac and 'lets make windows look like a Mac craze that hit a few years back and originally based on the old Windowblinds skin 'iWin' does anyone even remember that one? but recently I've had people in the Linux community not take me seriously about tryingwanting to move to Linux full time and a name change was appropriate, and this one most appropriate of all...)

unfortunately my 'new' (used) laptop has a few sticky keys and I ended up mistyping my user name....d'ya think there might be a way some how to get the mods to allow me to fix it?

[looks at mods] Hint...hint...Please?

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RE[2]: hmm
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 7th Aug 2005 09:17 in reply to "RE: hmm"
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2005-06-29

As it is now...we're bored already with hearing about how great this new toy you have is and would like to either discuss ways to convince you to let us pay too or would like to play something else, something you don't need to be a 'cool kid' to play with.

As much as I hate to admit it, I know you have a very good point.

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RE[3]: hmm
by Anonymous Penguin on Sun 7th Aug 2005 09:25 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm"
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2005-07-06

+ vote for you too!

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RE[2]: hmm
by on Sun 7th Aug 2005 11:21 in reply to "RE: hmm"
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You mean having spent $30 makes you a cool kid? Oh brother. This is a commercial product and you have to pay for it. It is really cheap. If you cannot live with that fact then fine, but don't bring up the same old discussion about open-sourcing SkyOS as it will simply not happen. You can have any of the many other operating systems that are both free and open-source. Their way is fine, I'm a happy Ubuntu user myself. But it doesn't mean it's the *only* "true" way of doing things. Nobody moans about Microsoft not open-sourcing their products anymore, I hope the same will be with SkyOS. Have a good day ;)

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RE[3]: hmm
by on Sun 7th Aug 2005 13:32 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm"
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now this is just conjecture but, i'mma hazard the guess that the main market for altos lies in the college age (and a bit beyond) (the old fogeys having been using *nix so long they feel no desire to change) demographic and to most kids in college or fresh out of it any money is a lot of money, especially when the return value is uncertain.

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RE[3]: hmm
by bornagainenguin on Mon 8th Aug 2005 07:46 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm"
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2005-08-07

>>You mean having spent $30 makes you a cool kid?

No, I mean getting to play with a cutting edge rapidly evolving OS that looks like it might actually be a 'good' Windows replacememnt for home users...fooling around with a new toy...since SkyOS is not yet available in stores or as a viable general release and betas are all that are truly available all it CAN be is a toy to play with.

>>If you cannot live with that fact then fine, but don't bring
>>up the same old discussion about open-sourcing SkyOS
>>as it will simply not happen.

Fine with me, just don't expect the rest of us to pay any attention to your new shiny OS that no one can play with.

>>You can have any of the many other operating systems
>>that are both free and open-source. Their way is fine, I'm
>>a happy Ubuntu user myself. But it doesn't mean it's the
>>*only* "true" way of doing things.

Congratulations on your Ubuntu experience. (Have you tried XYZ? LOL, no seriously!) I'm glad that you've found a Linux to your liking, there's one for everybody...join the party! I've begun to like Ubuntu quite well now that I've found the 'unofficial' addon cd made by some of the Ubuntu forumers. That said this completely emphaises and underscores my point...if you go back and reread my post (go ahead I'll wait..)



...

(You ARE rereading, aren't you? ;P)

...

I only mentioned the GPL (or open sourcing) SkyOS in connection with an answer to the question of why SkyOS discussions always degenerate into GPL (or accusations of improper GPL usage which I personally think Robert is too intelligent to have commited..) rants and so little SkyOS focused commentary takes place. My answer: Not enough people have access to the betas to make commentary--a state of affiars that hurts EVERYONE including SkyOS and its users.

You may note on your careful re-reading of my post that except mentioning the GPL in relation to it being /one/ way to open things up to allow everyone to participate (or to 'play' if you will...:P) I don't make any mention of the GPL in my own suggestions for solving the problem of there being a derth of SkyOS related commentary. Let's try not to hurt ourselves noding our heads in agreement with each other, okay? I haven't brought the GPL into play here--you have.

Me--? I just wanna see how this cool toy behaves on my hardware...[laughs] but I'm not about to pay for the privledge of seeing if it will, even if it DOES net me a cool looking official cd-rom some day in the future.

I'll stick to the things I can try before I buy, thank you very much. And there's nothing wrong with that. Plenty of other fish in the sea, and soon enough others will realize that and you'll see the SkyOS discussions with only a token few comments at every story much like you see with RiscOS and the various incarnations of Amiga. 'tho I'm not quite sure that will be an improvement....

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RE[2]: hmm
by rodviking on Sun 7th Aug 2005 11:24 in reply to "RE: hmm"
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2005-07-05

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Make the betas releasable under some type of beta-testers' license allowing for bitorrent release and incorporate some kind of time bomb (ala Winows 2003 Server betas) to prevent any use of the betas after the final reease and most importantly make the debuggers and error reporting tools on by default so as to nab any and all useful info....Then, THEN you might find more of us discussing the behavior of the latest features, and what hardware support has een improved ala the intresting post commenting on the length of time decreasing to install as compared to earler betas. And what d'ya know all without costing Robert anything in extra bandwith (except maybe for the phone homes in those error reportng tools) and it may even lead to (Gasp Shock) more sales down the road by someone who triedout the betas and remembers them fondly.
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You hit the nail straight on. Perfect.

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RE[3]: hmm
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 7th Aug 2005 11:54 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm"
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2005-06-29

You hit the nail straight on. Perfect.

Agreed. Really.

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RE[3]: hmm
by Lakedaemon on Sun 7th Aug 2005 13:09 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm"
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2005-08-07

I agree too.

What SkyOS really needs is a growing community of developers who code 3rd party applications.
To increase the number of people who use/try (and like) SkyOS is the way to get them.

This solution wouldn't disadvantage actual memebers of the beta team too, cause...the actual "beta membership" is actually about spopnsoring alternate os development AND getting SkyOS 5 final.

As a beta tester, I would actually welcome some move that would increase the SkyOS user/tester/coder base.

On a completely different subject now, I think Osnews should take (more drastic) measures to keep skyos threads on the focus.
Why not automatically get a -2 rating to a post in the skyos thread that would use the words "GPL" or "OPEN SOURCE" ?

I am really SICK (as might be many others) of having to parse 50 opensource zealots posts to get to the actual 10 interesting SkyOS posts...

Lakedaemon

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RE[2]: hmm
by greg on Sun 7th Aug 2005 14:38 in reply to "RE: hmm"
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2005-07-06

Great post.

I really couldn't care less whether or not SkyOS is open source, but I do think they're missing out on a great community of OS geeks out there that will happily test it out and report bugs and altogether make it a far better system, this shoudn't cost either side any money, and both stand to gain. Also, by allowing betas, SkyOS could gain far more people who are willing to pay for the OS.

Release the betas, you can't lose!

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