Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 28th Jul 2006 18:28 UTC
.NET (dotGNU too) Microsoft is leaving Java in the dust, but the company still has room to grow in the developer arena, a key executive said. Speaking at the Microsoft FAM (Financial Analyst Meeting) on July 27 in Redmond, Wash., Bob Muglia, Microsoft's senior vice president of Server and Tools business, said Microsoft's .Net platform has outpaced Java, particularly the Java Enterprise Edition, over the past five years to become the development platform of choice for enterprise development.
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Lambda
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2006-07-28

Most of the time I can see Flash "applets". Java is hardly ever used on the webpages.

Yes, another example of Sun bumbling along and not taking a look at how Macromedia was able to produce a non-intrusive, easy, non-bloated installer.

If Adobe's new Flash 9 VM is powerful enough, I'd love for someone to write a subset of Java compiler for it (kind of like what GWT is for javascript). I guess ActionScript is alright, but it has a limited domain and I'm not really interested in it.

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Luis Member since:
2006-04-28

I thought that when they talked about Java for the web they were referring more to JSP pages rather than Java applets.

Personally I prefer PHP webs than JSP webs. They are faster and seem much more flexible. But some say (and it's probably true) that PHP is not secure enough for some kind of webs (for example, for banks) so those use JSP more (or ASP from .NET). In fact the only reason I have Java on my desktop is because I need it to enter my bank's web page. Otherwise I find it useless for a desktop.

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Lambda Member since:
2006-07-28

I thought that when they talked about Java for the web they were referring more to JSP pages rather than Java applets.

They probably were. I was responding to the parent's comments about applets and flash, and how applets died off for the most part.

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buff Member since:
2005-11-12

I find Java useful on the desktop and wouldn't call it useless. I use limewire daily and it runs on Java. I download all my bittorents using the excellent azureus UI. I like the new direction of Java UI's where they are using the native toolkits instead of Swing. Azureus and Eclipe are good examples of this UI approach.

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someone Member since:
2006-01-12

Yes, another example of Sun bumbling along and not taking a look at how Macromedia was able to produce a non-intrusive, easy, non-bloated installer.

Actually, I think the more important factor is the ease of development, especially media rich applets. Java is better when you have heavy logic and little animation and sound involved.

This being said, Sun should have started to work on the client-side experience earlier.

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