Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 31st Jul 2006 21:51 UTC
Windows With Windows Vista nearing its first release candidate in preparation for a final launch early next year, Microsoft is providing more details about possible upgrade paths. Of note: Windows 2000 cannot be upgraded to Vista. While Windows 2000 Professional customers may purchase a cheaper "upgrade" copy of Microsoft next-generation operating system, Windows Vista must be "clean installed", which means users will need to back up their files and data manually and then copy everything into place. Applications will also need to be re-installed.
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Hardware Problem Mainly
by hraq on Tue 1st Aug 2006 06:10 UTC
hraq
Member since:
2005-07-06

People who own windows 2000 licenses will face even tougher problem than Microsoft no upgrade policy, namely their hardware. Most of hardware will fail to install windows vista due the nature of vista's core which is built upon windows server 2003 that has a different compatability than 2000/XP line; only very good motherboards and hardware components will be possible to accept window server 2003/Windows Vista line of OSs.

Only 1/2 of my systems supported vista (2 computers out of 4) and the one that accepted vista accepted windows server 2003 installation as well.

So hardware uninstallability is the issue rather than Microsoft Decsion not to support upgrade.

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PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

I don't get it... the 2k3 kernel is essentially the same one as 2000 and XP... They fixed some bugs, but the driver model is exactly the same. The only major thing that changed with Vista was the display driver system.

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RE[2]: Hardware Problem Mainly
by kaiwai on Tue 1st Aug 2006 07:43 in reply to "RE: Hardware Problem Mainly"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Windows NT is alot pickier about hardware faults; systems that may have had Windows 9x installed without a hitch, but BSOD'ed all the time will find that Windows Vista won't install.

Same situation occured with Windows XP; machines that were dodgy, Windows XP simply refused to install of them.

Better to have a picky operating system that'll refuse to install on crap rather than an operating system that installs but crashes all the time.

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RE[2]: Hardware Problem Mainly
by hraq on Tue 1st Aug 2006 07:44 in reply to "RE: Hardware Problem Mainly"
hraq Member since:
2005-07-06

"the 2k3 kernel is essentially the same one as 2000 and XP"

No, It is not the same; One example, the networking stack was moved to the kernel and alot of other tweaks are also there to refuse alot of poorly designed and written hardware/software. Attention to processing is greater to services (daemons) than to applications.

ATI chipsets (RS300 and the like) do not function at all with W00/XP drivers, and if you force it, will make your system constantly rebooting. And many more hardware are not installing with windows server 2003 while could be installed with W00/XP, all discovered by system administrators and me on my own hardware.

I have tested all alpha and beta versions of vista ( around 10) and vista started to change from M5/M6 Milestone, where the kernel/drivers structure changed from XP to WS2003 and thus failed to install on 2 of the testing machines I have.

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RE: Hardware Problem Mainly
by n4cer on Tue 1st Aug 2006 10:08 in reply to "Hardware Problem Mainly"
n4cer Member since:
2005-07-06

People who own windows 2000 licenses will face even tougher problem than Microsoft no upgrade policy, namely their hardware. Most of hardware will fail to install windows vista due the nature of vista's core which is built upon windows server 2003 that has a different compatability than 2000/XP line; only very good motherboards and hardware components will be possible to accept window server 2003/Windows Vista line of OSs.

Vista will run as long as your motherboard supports ACPI. Supported minimum requirements are:
800 Mhz CPU
512 MB RAM
SVGA video card

In many cases, the Windows 2k/XP driver model is still supported (Display, Audio, Networking, etc.), however, some of these drivers may no longer be available via Windows Update for various reasons, and you won't always get the best experience with legacy drivers (e.g., no Aero Glass/less hardware acceleration, limited support of new APIs).

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RE: Hardware Problem Mainly
by brewmastre on Tue 1st Aug 2006 13:47 in reply to "Hardware Problem Mainly"
brewmastre Member since:
2006-08-01

I dont know about that. Windows is completely unreliable and differs greatly from one version to the next. I have a crappy old Dell Dim XPS T650 with a PIII 650 that will run Win98, Vista, Linux, and BeOS, but wont run Windows Me, NT, W2k, XP, or Server 2k3. You just never know what you will get with each new release when it come to MS.

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