Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 2nd Aug 2006 06:37 UTC
Gnome After all the debate, gtk# will most likely find its way into GNOME. "The release team has completed its second meeting to try to finish the new module decisions. And, after all the long threads on d-d-l and the many discussions amongst ourselves trying to determine community consensus, we finally have the decisions. In summary: orca, alacarte, and gnome-power-manager are in; gtk# and tomboy are in, assuming the issues mentioned are resolved; sticky notes becomes deprecated, assuming tomboy issues are resolved and gets in." Update: Elijah Newren emailed me concerning an important aspect of the current decision, and asked me to highlight it. So, read more!
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RE[4]: Its exciting
by JonPryor on Wed 2nd Aug 2006 13:26 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Its exciting"
JonPryor
Member since:
2005-07-29

No, the threat of a Microsoft lawsuit is not Anti-Microsoft because the Mono folks did implement ADO.NET and ASP.NET even though they knew these technologies were patented.

I'm a contributor to Mono.

I'm not a patent lawyer (but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night! ;-).

I haven't heard anything about actual patents on ADO.NET and ASP.NET. I've only heard about the (rediculous) patent application (still not granted) about the design and structure of a class library (too lazy to Google the reference, but everyone had a good laugh at it; it's like trying to patent a VCR interface, rather silly).

Furthermore, patents usually cover implementation, not the public interface. (Though its entirely possible that the public interface may require a particular patented implementation...)

Regardless, not supporting ADO.NET, ASP.NET, and System.Windows.Forms would be a huge mistake. One of the "selling points" of Mono is that code can be easily shared between Linux & .NET. Porting will be required, but (hopefully) such porting would be minimal. ADO.NET and ASP.NET help make that possible.

Without their support, it would require that "porting" be "re-write to this entirely different framework." (See how well the "Abandon System.Windows.Forms and port your existing code to Gtk#" mantra is working for non-Free software.) In short, porting would no longer be an option, removing most of the appeal of Mono to third party vendors.

So given a choice between hand-waving about potential Microsoft patent threats vs. making it substantially easier for existing .NET code to be ported to Mono... What would you choose? You can always avoid ASP.NET, ADO.NET, and System.Windows.Forms for your own code...

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RE[5]: Its exciting
by Bonus on Wed 2nd Aug 2006 13:33 in reply to "RE[4]: Its exciting"
Bonus Member since:
2005-12-23

Also to me it seems like Mono is becomeing the leader of GNOME. I'm not saying that's bad or good I just find it funny with all the fury from GNOME at MS in the past. Is MS not that bad anymore?

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RE[6]: Its exciting
by MightyPenguin on Wed 2nd Aug 2006 14:17 in reply to "RE[5]: Its exciting"
MightyPenguin Member since:
2005-11-18

It would be at least five years before this happened, but I think it would be cool if the entire DE was Mono based. I know that would make things easier for me. I run 64bit linux and with mono apps I don't have to have compat 32bit libraries (well at least not as many). Maintainers wouldn't need as much arch specific stuff to maintain if they were using mono heavily.

Edited 2006-08-02 14:18

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RE[6]: Its exciting
by starnix on Wed 2nd Aug 2006 17:55 in reply to "RE[5]: Its exciting"
starnix Member since:
2006-05-12

It IS possible to dislike MS business practices but be able to recognize something they did right. .NET is one of those things done right.

Disliking everything they do simply because THEY did it is ignorant.

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