Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 4th Aug 2006 05:13 UTC, submitted by Carlos
Linux The Ark Linux team is pleased to announce the immediate availability of Ark Linux 2006.1 and Ark Linux Live 2006.1. This release adds KDE 3.5.4, X.Org 7.1.1, amaroK 1.4.1, and the new tool "rpmhandler", which makes installing third party packages easier.
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Celerate
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2005-06-29

"In the case of Ark Linux, I think the answer would be:

"Nothing, really. We had a great idea back in 2003 but didn't quite work fast enough to fix our quirks in time, and then other more popular distros emerged and our goal became fulfilled in those distros instead." "


Shameless slander.

First off Ark Linux dates further back than 2003, if I remember it's history correctly it was called BeroLinux before becomming Ark Linux, and it predates several distributions including the Ubuntu family.

Secondly AL is to me one of the last few legitimate Linux distributions, it still puts together a decent KDE desktop and most importantly it doesn't strip features and tweak stuff on the assumption that users are all hopeless retards incapable of using them. AL still includes easy configuration tools and graphical front ends, but no features are stripped, and most importantly users can still do their configuration by hand if they so choose, no choice is taken away.

You've heard the quote, "make something idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot". Well imo it holds true for every OS: make things easier and people will only become more hopeless and illiterate. Linus Torvalds had a quote along those lines too:
"I personally just encourage people to switch to KDE.

This "users are idiots, and are confused by functionality" mentality of Gnome is a disease. If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will use it. I don't use Gnome, because in striving to be simple, it has long since reached the point where it simply doesn't do what I need it to do.

Please, just tell people to use KDE."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds

My favourite thing though is that Ark hasn't alienated developers by adopting some unnatural tweaks to the desktop environments. The reason I won't touch Mandriva with a 10 ft pole now is partly because the menu system is non-standard and no one I talked to in their IRC channel, including contributors could tell me how to make an RPM that was capable of making a menu entry. I did try the kdedesktop2mdkmenu.pl scipt and I dug through documentation for hours to no avail. Ark doesn't try to replace standards, you create a desktop file as is normal for an unmodified KDE environment, and after the rpm is built that desktop file becomes the menu entry it's supposed to be for as long as the rpm is installed. I'm not picking on Mandriva here, several other distributions have parted with standards, the point is that sticking with standards reduces confusion and stress and is a feature of AL.

So there you go, Ark is usefull and unique, you just assumed it wasn't because that was easier.

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Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

>>You've heard the quote, "make something idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot".<<

OK, but if your aim is to create a distro for newbies, you don't put as *first* option in the installer to wipe your hard drive! That is a matter of plain common sense.

Similarly when I was beta testing the very first Mepis betas, I suggested Warren that an installer which chooses by default the first partition is begging for trouble. He agreed with me. Maybe if he had not, Mepis wouldn't be quite as popular today. Newbies trying Linux for the first time hate having their Windows partition deleted, you know...

Other than that Ark in 2003 was a stable, bleeding edge, good looking distro with plenty of developers. So it had a bright future. If only people listened...

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Celerate Member since:
2005-06-29

"OK, but if your aim is to create a distro for newbies, you don't put as *first* option in the installer to wipe your hard drive! That is a matter of plain common sense."

So is reading what your screen says before clicking the first button in front of you, especially when the choices are more than yes/no or ok/cancel. If you lost your files this way then I'm sorry for you, but if you had only read what the buttons said before clicking it wouldn't have happened. Anyone who clicks the first button they see without reading it has no one but themselves to blame.

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djst Member since:
2005-08-07

Shameless slander.

First off Ark Linux dates further back than 2003, if I remember it's history correctly it was called BeroLinux before becomming Ark Linux, and it predates several distributions including the Ubuntu family.


Does that make any difference? Maybe I was wrong about the year, but that certainly doesn't turn my post into "shameless slander". Whether or not Ark predates other distros is also completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with my point. Ark wasn't "first" in any sense anyway.

Secondly AL is to me one of the last few legitimate Linux distributions, it still puts together a decent KDE desktop and most importantly it doesn't strip features and tweak stuff on the assumption that users are all hopeless retards incapable of using them.

[snip]Torvalds quote about KDE[/snip]


Whether you like KDE or not is completely irrelevant in the context of Ark Linux vs the rest of the distros out there. Gnome vs KDE wasn't exactly what I was talking about.

So there you go, Ark is usefull and unique, you just assumed it wasn't because that was easier.

I never assumed Ark wasn't useful. I am, however, questioning the split forces as a direct result of the endless number of distros available today. The fact that Ark sticks to some random desktop file standards doesn't exactly make it unique. It's similar to most other KDE-based distros. Their stated goals are similar to most other Linux-for-the-masses distros, so why not work together? Pick one of the most popular KDE-based distro and improve that one.

Similarly, if your random distro is Gnome-based, pick one of the most popular Gnome-based distros and improve it. Don't create the 1001th distro just because you want to. It's good to work together. And this is not aimed directly towards Ark.

Enough said.

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