Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Aug 2006 18:46 UTC, submitted by Borys Musielak
Windows "Microsoft has reached an enormous success with its Windows product during the last decade and practically monopolized the market for home computer operating systems. But, does it mean Windows is still the best OS around, especially for power users? I'm going to cumulate my Windows XP frustrations and tell you about the top 10 reasons why I decided to dump Windows and use GNU/Linux as my primary desktop OS."
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RE[3]: I like it
by pandronic on Wed 9th Aug 2006 13:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I like it"
pandronic
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2006-05-18

It is getting so that only a company or a computer store can install Windows "uncorrupted" these days.

Well, they should be installing an OS anyway, or at least someone who knows what he/she's doing. Do you see grandma firing up the partitioner and whiping up partitions?

The use of a software repository is, of course to allow one to search amongst ~20,000 packages in one place for whatever one wants, then click "Select for Installation" and "Apply" to install software, and not what one has to do for Windows ... search all over the net for hours for what one wants, try to figure out if it is time-limited, adware or worse spyware, hope like hell it isn't a Trojan, keylogger or virus, download it somewhere, try to find out where it was saved, then click Next, Next .... Registration Key, agree to give away your first born, re-enter registration key, call support, wait through hours of elevator music ... etc, etc, etc.

Really? You could download your applications from a website like Softpedia.com, or you could search for a couple of reviews. I bet you would be finished before, grandma figured how to install the latest version of gcc needed to compile that elusive application she didn't find in the repository. But what if, God forbid, there isn't such an application for Linux and she has to use it via Wine? ... the horror, the horror.

download it somewhere, try to find out where it was saved

That is really lame ... how is downloading different in Linux?

So? Likewise for Linux installs, likewise for OSX. The telling thing here is that you seem to see the need to even say that.

I said that because the author said Windows crashed every few weeks. RTA

And so do I, with Linux. I have the equivalent of all that ***out of the box** in under an hour from a new pristine hard disk and a Linux install DVD, instead of paying $$$$$ for all the additional applications and taking over a week to get it all set up.

You are really living in a little fantasy world of your own. Maybe not all of us are Linux experts, but I sure do know a lot of people who are not Windows experts that can install all those in an hour.

What about Photoshop? What are you running? Photoshop 7? Be sure not to breathe, cause it might crash.

Indeed, it is perfectly easy to go the other extreme if you lie about what Linux is like.

Yes Linux is almighty, a paradigm of user-friendliness and functionality.

I rest my case.

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RE[4]: I like it
by hal2k1 on Wed 9th Aug 2006 13:57 in reply to "RE[3]: I like it"
hal2k1 Member since:
2005-11-11

//I bet you would be finished before, grandma figured how to install the latest version of gcc needed to compile that elusive application she didn't find in the repository. But what if, God forbid, there isn't such an application for Linux and she has to use it via Wine? ... the horror, the horror. //

You are sooooooooooooo out of date it isn't funny.

You don't need gcc to install Linux applications and you don't have to compile them. They are all in repositories for you. Approximately 20,000 of them, for the distribution that I am using right now (Ubuntu-based).

//You are really living in a little fantasy world of your own. Maybe not all of us are Linux experts, but I sure do know a lot of people who are not Windows experts that can install all those in an hour. //

Since when has Photoshop ever been found in a Windows software box? You have to take hours to install Windows from the Windows disk, then feed in three or four other CDROMs for your hardware drivers because most hardware drivers don't come on the Windows disk, you have to reboot about three times for the Windows install than at least once more for every driver from CDROM, there are CD keys to enter all over the place, then you risk getting owned while you shore it up with Zonealarm & antivirus & whatnot, then spend a few hours downloading & installing security patches from the Windows update site, then when finally you try to run a real application (such as Photoshop), you find that none are installed.

So then it is the huge search on the Web, or more likely to a Computer shop to shell out extra $$$, for your Photoshop, DVD player software, Office Suite, this, that, the other bit that Microsoft doesn't have ... once you have shelled out twice what you paid for the actual machine you get it all home and spend another few days getting it all up & running.

You are the one living in a fantasy world if you think you can get from a clean hard disk and just one optical media to anything like a workable useable Windows system in an hour. Clearly you have never done this yourself.

Take a SLED 10.1 DVD and a new PC with a blank HD and you can have a 100% secure fully working system with OS and literally hundreds of applications all going in less than one hour. No joke. No cost, either, for that matter.

If you don't like SuSe, then any of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, MEPIS, PCLinuxOS, KANOTIX or Knoppix will have you up with a secure working OS and literally hundreds of applications installed in under an hour, and with about 20 thousand more avalable on-line and all searchable and installable in the one place.

//That is really lame ... how is downloading different in Linux? //

You really don't understand what a package manager on Linux does, do you? I can tell since you asked that question. Clearly you have never used one.

Have a look for yourself:

http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/action.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaptic
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/QuickStartSynaptic

A typical modern GUI package manager is like a browser for the Linux distribution repositories. It shows you the 20,000 or so packages that are available, lets you search for what you want, gives you good (also searchable) descriptions of the packages, organises packages by sections of functionality, and lets you select packages to install.

Once you click "Apply" (having selected what packages you want) the package manager compares your installation with what the selected packages require, works out what it needs to download, downloads it all, installs it all, puts entries on the menus for you, sets up configuration files ... and you are good to go. Just three steps (clicks): search for what you want, select what you want, apply ... bingo you are done.

Windows has absolutely nothing like it. GUI package managers on Linux have anything on Windows beat hands down.

//Yes Linux is almighty, a paradigm of user-friendliness and functionality.//

Well at least you got that right.

Edited 2006-08-09 14:16

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RE[5]: I like it
by hal2k1 on Wed 9th Aug 2006 14:50 in reply to "RE[4]: I like it"
hal2k1 Member since:
2005-11-11

For anyone who might actually be interested (rather than trying on the age-old and utterly wrong FUD about it being hard to install software on Linux) ... here is some info on package management systems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package_management_system

Windows has nothing even remotely like this for ease of installing software from one easy-to-use interface.

No wonder those with Windows blinkers on get so confused over this topic.

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