Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 9th Aug 2006 21:01 UTC
Windows "Apple has touted itself as the innovator in OS software; it has suggested that all the new additions in Windows Vista already exist in the most recent Mac OS X, Tiger. Microsoft might take issue with that, but there's no denying that it has struggled somewhat with Vista, which has had features cut and seen a series of delays. To find out what people on the street make of it, we asked our Vista Views panel, made up of ordinary readers, this question: Which feature in Leopard would you like to see in Vista?"
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wow... Just wow!
by proforma on Wed 9th Aug 2006 22:30 UTC
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2005-08-27

Leopard is more flash than reality.

The reason why it is faster than the betas is that there wasn't really any work done.

Leopard is really more like a service pack than any real upgrade.

The only thing Microsoft could learn from Leopard is to make everything flashy and graphical and that is about it.

Windows Vista is almost a complete re-write other than the Kernal. Leopard is a small upgrade and nothing more.

That is why I can't stand when people make stupid comments and think that all that Microsoft did was put a new interface on and that was it. Stupid, very stupid trolls.

It amazes me how far the internet I.Q. has dropped once they let everyone in the world on. In order to log on to the internet you should have to take an I.Q. test.

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RE: wow... Just wow!
by Nelson on Wed 9th Aug 2006 22:39 in reply to "wow... Just wow!"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Vista isn't a rewrite of the kernel. It's a rewrite of: Network stack, audio stack, and some more important components. It's more of a maintenence release in my eyes. Cleans up the mess they had with XP and adds some wanted features.

What the retards at apple need to learn is that software evolves naturally, no one copies anyone and hell even if they DID copy you I'd be proud because it shows your idea is solid and chances are you implement it better.

To me, when a company needs to make stupid jokes and retarded commercial to try to gain some fame it's a sign that they are running out of features.

Windows isn't perfect either but Apple is far from it.

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RE[2]: wow... Just wow!
by grrr on Wed 9th Aug 2006 22:59 in reply to "RE: wow... Just wow!"
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2005-09-03

a ha that is what microsoft has to learn from apple a sense of humor.

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RE[2]: wow... Just wow!
by Rayz on Thu 10th Aug 2006 07:57 in reply to "RE: wow... Just wow!"
Rayz Member since:
2006-06-24

Vista isn't a rewrite of the kernel. It's a rewrite of: Network stack, audio stack, and some more important components. It's more of a maintenence release in my eyes. Cleans up the mess they had with XP and adds some wanted features.

Just to make it clear, the kernel isn't new, but it's not the same as the one in XP either. I understand that they have used the new kernel from Server2003, and moved re-engineered most of the code to deal with security and driver crashes.
Maintenance release? Rubbish; but this does show where MS is going wrong with respect to marketing. Apple shows a lot of new eye candy and a few new apps, and folk believe they're seeing something new. MS completely revamps the underlying operating system, adds the Windows Presentation Foundation, rewrites the network stack, audio system, revamps the gaming engine, adds support for using USB drives as RAM, support for software gadgets running on supplementary hardware modules ... and folk see it as a maintenance release?

I guess the problem is, there are not enough people who can see things from a developer's perspective.

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RE: wow... Just wow!
by markus on Wed 9th Aug 2006 22:53 in reply to "wow... Just wow!"
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2006-01-14

Well the only thing on what I agree with you is about the I.Q...


Leopard is more flash than reality.

I don't think that release dates between Vista and Leopard are going to be that different, for all developers at WWDC Leopard is very real.


The reason why it is faster than the betas is that there wasn't really any work done.

Actually I am attending WWDC and cannot speak about details because of the signed NDA but I can safely say that what have been shown at the keynote are only some applications that use some new capabilities of 10.5 but not the underlying architectural changes which are immense.


The only thing Microsoft could learn from Leopard is to make everything flashy and graphical and that is about it.

Well it seems that Microsoft is already copying the GUI stuff (see calendar), but they could learn about clean system design, search technologies (since their new filesystem did not come along), security and embracing open standards (PDF) instead of reinventing the wheel.

Windows Vista is almost a complete re-write other than the Kernal. Leopard is a small upgrade and nothing more.

Calling Leopard a small upgrade is just wrong. I believe you will agree when more specs are made public and even new features are disclosed over time.

That is why I can't stand when people make stupid comments and think that all that Microsoft did was put a new interface on and that was it. Stupid, very stupid trolls.

Sure, Vista changes more than the interface, but mostly it does thinks that other systems have done before and as far as I know multiprocessor (multicore) performance is still far away from good and security will not be as good as it should be because of compatibility concerns.

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RE[2]: wow... Just wow!
by grrr on Wed 9th Aug 2006 23:20 in reply to "RE: wow... Just wow!"
grrr Member since:
2005-09-03

I do not like that NDA stuff. There are probably developers over there from the Microsoft mac unit so if Microsoft knows anyway why cant i know? so that is what apple can learn from ms

Edited 2006-08-09 23:21

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RE: wow... Just wow!
by sappyvcv on Thu 10th Aug 2006 04:52 in reply to "wow... Just wow!"
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2005-07-06

Isn't that what he said? "rewrite other than the kernel".

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RE: wow... Just wow!
by Rayz on Thu 10th Aug 2006 08:14 in reply to "wow... Just wow!"
Rayz Member since:
2006-06-24

It amazes me how far the internet I.Q. has dropped once they let everyone in the world on. In order to log on to the internet you should have to take an I.Q. test.

There is nothing wrong with the IQ of the internet; it's just that most people do not understand what is involved in completely rewriting an OS. The only way they can make a judgement is by what they see on the screen. Apple understands this, which is why they can make a service pack, look like a major OS update. MS doesn't understand this, which is why they can make a major OS update, look like they've been sitting on their collective cans for five years.

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RE: wow... Just wow!
by gdanko on Fri 11th Aug 2006 13:50 in reply to "wow... Just wow!"
gdanko Member since:
2005-07-15

Windows Vista is almost a complete re-write other than the Kernal. Leopard is a small upgrade and nothing more.

And how old is that kernel? At least 6-8 years.

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