Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 12th Aug 2006 19:07 UTC
OpenBSD OpenBSD strives to be the most secure UNIX derivation. Design principles, such as code auditing, extensive use of encryption, and careful configuration choices, combine to ensure OpenBSD's secure by default philosophy holds true. This article gives you a close look at the operating system so secure that it was once banned for use in a DEF CON competition, where crackers go after each other's systems.
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RE[3]: Correctness matters
by ozonehole on Sun 13th Aug 2006 17:45 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Correctness matters"
ozonehole
Member since:
2006-01-07

FWIW, I, and others, am quite pleased the installer can still fit on a single floppy and, while more people might not take advantage of it, you can also do a headless installation via a serial console—and I hope this doesn’t change in the future just to appease the fashion gods. This is one of the quickest installers I’ve ever used and, to be quite honest, it does exactly what an installer is supposed to do—get the OS on the box, quickly.

It's a fast installer if you've used it about 10 times and thus are intimately familiar with it. For a newbie, it takes a couple of hours to pour through the documentation to figure out how to use it. It gets mind-blowingly complicated if you want to install OpenBSD on a hard drive to multiboot with other OSs. If you are willing to give it the entire hard disk (and I guess that's what you do), then it isn't as bad, but it's hardly intuitive.

I see no reason why OpenBSD couldn't have both - an easy-to-use text-mode installer (such as Slackware's or Debian's) plus the esoteric command line installer that you know and love. Installers don't occupy that much disk space.

And OpenBSD does not fit on a single CD - last time I ordered it, I received three CDs, and needed two of them to get the apps installed, plus I had to download some more. But if fitting it on one disk is so important, why not consider making a DVD release? Then it wouldn't be necessary to download so many ports to get a working desktop system.

I firmly believe that the Spartan installer cuts OpenBSD's market share to about 1/10 of what it could be. A pity - it's a good OS in many ways.

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RE[4]: Correctness matters
by iangibson on Sun 13th Aug 2006 22:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Correctness matters"
iangibson Member since:
2005-09-25

I firmly believe that the Spartan installer cuts OpenBSD's market share to about 1/10 of what it could be.

Where did you get these figures from? Out of thin air, by any chance?

OpenBSD has a specific purpose and very limited resources. The small team of coders have to strictly prioritise their work. The installer works fine, so I would think redesigning it is pretty low on their 'to do' list.

Anyone who is put off using OpenBSD because they have to read the manual first is probably not someone who should be running it anyway - even if they completed an install they wouldn't know what to do next without a wizard popping up.

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RE[4]: Correctness matters
by Janizary on Sun 13th Aug 2006 23:12 in reply to "RE[3]: Correctness matters"
Janizary Member since:
2006-03-12

I look at it significantly differently, the spartan installer as you call it, the clean and unbloated installer, is part of the reason the users of OpenBSD are not a gaggle of mindless GNUbies and Windrones filling the mailing lists with inane questions like why there isn't a forum on the website. Your magical graphical installer? People even tried making one, google for GOBIE, noone liked it and noone wanted it, it was exactly what you are asking for and noone gave a crap.

My first install took 15 minutes, including download time, it was the first Unix I ever touched, how hard is it to hit enter?

OpenBSD isn't trying to be 10 times as popular as it is now, it's doing just fine for what it's goals are. Things are done how the developers want and in no way whatsoever how users want them.

And yes, OpenBSD in it's entirity fits on a CD, if you want packages and random nonsense like X that's entirely up to you. Packages and X are not part of OpenBSD, they are provided for convenience.

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RE[4]: Correctness matters
by netpython on Mon 14th Aug 2006 07:36 in reply to "RE[3]: Correctness matters"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

I firmly believe that the Spartan installer cuts OpenBSD's market share to about 1/10 of what it could be. A pity - it's a good OS in many ways.

I agree with you.It's a nobrainer to secure an OS with so little installed by default.Lets see if they could manage to keep the overall security as high as it is now, with a average desktop install.

A good GUI installer (fedora,opensuse) although i'm capable of doing everything from the cli makes me in my humble opinion more productive.Especially when making my raid partions,logical volumes,setting strides,etc.Why should i type a lot uneeded when the routine is a few clicks away?That doesn't make the cli less usefull at all,i still consider it my best friend so to speak.

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