Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 17th Aug 2006 19:51 UTC, submitted by mrbigsocks
Red Hat Red Hat Chief Technology Officer Brian Stevens has escalated to new heights the debate over whether the open-source Xen virtualization technology is ready for prime time, saying Novell was being irresponsible and risked damaging enterprises' first experiences with Xen. My Take: So "irresponsible" is synonymous to "being truthful"?
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Novell jumped the gun
by TechGeek on Thu 17th Aug 2006 20:08 UTC
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2006-01-14

I think Novell jumped the gun a bit. Xen doesn't have a lot of tools for it yet. And it really only runs Novell's stuff inside Novell. I have to say I don't think its quite ready for Enterprise yet. And any company that tries it and gets burned is apt to say, "Well thats open source for ya!" Putting beta software out there and saying its ready for prime time is a bit callous. Not to mention that there are still issues if you want to run a proprietary OS like Windows. VMware is much more mature by comparison and at least for now is a better solution to Enterprise users.

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RE: Novell jumped the gun
by ma_d on Thu 17th Aug 2006 20:18 in reply to "Novell jumped the gun"
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2005-06-29

It's sad too because all those companies have to do is ignore the corporate marketing they know tends to lie and ask the people actually writing the software.

Although the Xen website doesn't exactly say "new risky software" in big flashy letters. It says "commercial support available" ;) .

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RE: Novell jumped the gun
by butters on Thu 17th Aug 2006 21:00 in reply to "Novell jumped the gun"
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2005-07-08

Xen doesn't have a lot of tools, but XenSource and other do. Novell doesn't support non-Novell Xen guests, but XenSource and others do. Any company that builds infrastructure on Xen is likely to buy support from someone who supports multi-OS configurations. I've said this before and I'll say it again: no OS vendor will ever be interested in supporting third-party guest systems.

Xen is not beta software. When covered by appropriate support agreements, Xen is ready for the enterprise. Xen runs Windows in full-virtualization mode on Intel VT or AMD SVM equipped hardware. They wanted to distribute a binary patch that allows Windows to run in paravirtualization mode, but Microsoft wouldn't have it. VMware has the same problem supporting Windows in paravirt mode.

VMware is certainly the more mature solution. At the moment, Xen provides superior performance, particularly on non-Windows host platforms. VMware is going full-throttle toward paravirtualization, and both projects are gunning for the same technological objectives. It stands to question whether we need two paravirtualization solutions with such similar designs, but there has to be an open paravirtualization solution, and you can only get that with Xen.

Novell has included Xen in SLES 10, but of course it's not installed by default. It's a good option for early adopters and sufficiently skilled enterprise IT shops. Xen will work well in many enterprise settings, so why not include it as an option?

Novell has stated what they support and don't support regarding Xen, and so have many other Xen support service providers. The technology is there. With appropriate support, there is no reason to wait for Red Hat to give its blessing.

Edited 2006-08-17 21:05

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RE: Novell jumped the gun
by sbenitezb on Thu 17th Aug 2006 21:32 in reply to "Novell jumped the gun"
sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

"Putting beta software out there and saying its ready for prime time is a bit callous"

Companies buy beta software from Microsoft all the time. This is nothing new.

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