Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 18th Aug 2006 20:31 UTC, submitted by Kian Duffy
BeOS & Derivatives Haiku, the open-source BeOS replacement project, turns five years old today. Founded in August 2001 as OpenBeOS with the intention of replacing BeOS due to the lack of action by the then-ailing Be, Haiku has seen five years of change in the BeOS market but continues to progress.
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RE[2]: "Open source" desktop
by umccullough on Fri 18th Aug 2006 22:46 UTC in reply to "RE: "Open source" desktop"
umccullough
Member since:
2006-01-26

Are you joking? oh..i see you've not followed Haiku ;)

>I'll definitely need a browser on the order of Firefox.

Yes, that will be a reality: http://flickr.com/photos/umccullough/129587567

>Email client on the order of Thunderbird (with spam filtering!)

The natively written mail client is probably going to ship with Haiku - but there's also Thunderbird if needed.

>And an office suite that handles MS formats as well as OO.

OO.o - evil evil - there are people still interested in porting this, I suspect it will happen, but may be a while.

>I wouldn't want to give up Quake4 and Doom 3.

If they're ported, you won't have to ;) - Haiku has already been shown to run QIII: http://flickr.com/photos/johndrinkwater/144108950/

>I definitely want 3D accelleration for my NVidia 6800GT.

I believe BeOS/Haiku is the only OS with an open-source 3d nVidia driver as advanced as it is. It's certainly not the level of the closed-source DRI-based drivers, but what can you expect without commercial support?

>And I'll need to print to my Samsung 1710 laser printer which currently uses samsung's Linux GDI drivers.

I know nothing about this - but the printer driver support in Haiku is pretty modular.

>I'd want package management to be clean, on the order of what I have with apt and synaptic.

Who needs "package management"? This won't be Linux.

>I need to be able to develop with Ruby on Rails and Turbogears (a python framework).

Ruby and Python already exist for BeOS/Haiku

>I need java for my RADRails IDE.

Unfortunately, the Java port is on hold - but should resume again when Haiku comes to fruition.

>NFS connectivity with the rest of my network would be a plus. Being able to mount whatever remote filesystem is native to Haiku on my Linux boxes would also be OK.

Haiku has modular filesystem support. If someone writes a new filesystem add-on, Haiku can use it. I suspect NFS, ext2/3, etc. will come about in time. If someone takes the OpenBFS code and ports it to Linux,then you could read/write BFS also!

>Non-support for Macromedia Flash would be a *big* plus. ;-)

Non-support? I'm pretty sure that already exists (as in, no support for Flash).

>Oh, and I'd like the OS to be *fun*. :-)

YES!

>I do know that to be the "best bet", Haiku is going to have to be able to answer "yes, we can do that" to most of these kinds of questions.

I suspect the answer to most of your questions is "Yes we can do that" and in several cases: "Yes we already do that"

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RE[3]: "Open source" desktop
by sbergman27 on Fri 18th Aug 2006 23:05 in reply to "RE[2]: "Open source" desktop"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

OK So as of right now, the answers to my questions would be:

Firefox: Yes.
Thunderbird: Yes.
OpenOffice: No.
Quake4, Doom3: No.
Nvidia 3d: Probably not up to what I would need?
Printer: Probably no.
Package management: No. (How can an OS do without package management?!)
Ruby on Rails/Turbogears: Probably.
Java: No.
Network filesystem: No.
Flash: No. (And let's hope it stays that way!)
Fun: YES!
Security: No.

Is that a reasonable summation?

Edited 2006-08-18 23:10

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RE[4]: "Open source" desktop
by umccullough on Fri 18th Aug 2006 23:15 in reply to "RE[3]: "Open source" desktop"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

Sure - sounds reasonable. But right now Haiku is also pre-alpha - so hey - whatever ;)

But please explain to me the exact purpose of "package management" ? - i'm not sure I follow how that's a requirement for an OS.

I'm pretty sure when I unzip an app and it "just runs" - that it is very much sufficient to get the job done.

Actually, please don't answer this - I think i see where this discussion is going, and I suspect it's pointless to even discuss at this point for Haiku.

Edited 2006-08-18 23:20

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RE[4]: "Open source" desktop
by Ronald Vos on Sat 19th Aug 2006 10:35 in reply to "RE[3]: "Open source" desktop"
Ronald Vos Member since:
2005-07-06

Responses in italics:

Firefox: Yes.
Thunderbird: Yes.
OpenOffice: No.
Quake4, Doom3: No.
-->You're talking proprietary software, and for that the rare (2 out of 4?) exceptions of high-end games that have been ported to both Windows and Linux. You might as well go the 'Does it have Photoshop?'-route; Mac users would like that.
Nvidia 3d: Probably not up to what I would need? -->if the most advanced OSS version doesn't cut it...then no? I don't know why you'd want more than 30 FPS with your Quake ports though
Printer: Probably no.
Package management: No. (How can an OS do without package management?!)
-->Can you download binary packages of software you come across on the internet for Linux, regardless of version you're running? Actually, Haiku/BeOS has www.bebits.com, which beats most package managers hands down. Granted, for the dead links you'll have to crossreference to www.bezip.de but most Linux package managers lack the overview+interface Bebits has. A lot of package managers still have problems with dependencies still, Haiku/BeOS doesn't.
Ruby on Rails/Turbogears: Probably. -->If turbogears consists of interpreted ruby/python, you might get lucky ;)
Java: No. -->Actually, it can't be ported atm because of a number of lacking features. They're hoping to implement those for RC2. But yeah, no Java.
Network filesystem: No. -->actually, yes! http://www.bebits.com/app/1021
Flash: No. (And let's hope it stays that way!) -->does Flash 4.1015 count? ;-)
Fun: YES! -->To be honest, I'd say this is where Haiku will succeed where Linux didn't, but that's just my trolly opinion.
Security: No. [i]-->security through obscurity! There are less exploits/virusses known for BeOS than Linux :-)

[i]Edited 2006-08-19 10:38

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