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short answer:: no
by tiiim on Sat 26th Aug 2006 22:03 UTC
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Member since:
2005-09-02

As a mac user I would say no... the mac wont counter Vista.

Why?

bussiness reason: MS have a bussines roadmap which multi million $ companies rely on, Apple do but nobody outside of Apple HQ knows it... strike one no big names bussiness will follow a hidden agenda.

Hardware price: guess what the new mac pro is cheaper than a dell.... have you checked their other hardware? I am in the market for replacing my broken powerbook and at the moment I will be buying a dell, I have price both laptops up and here in the UK the dell is a lot more cheaper! at this point of time im leaving apple because they still have the premium price on the rest of their products.


All in one hardware software solution: this does not work for the mass market. Can you honestly believe if apple become number one pc maker that MS will stop windows? Do you think dell, hp, compaq and so on will throw in their laptop ideas and make keyboards for rest of their lives? Apple needs to release OS x on all hardware if it even begins to think about becoming an alternative OS. The lock to to hardware approach simply doesnt work (unless of cause its an ipod but even then its on iTunes for both Windows and OS x).

OS updates: they are expensive for what a Windows user will call a sp. You can buy a copy of windows and it will be supported for years and years with no extra price. OS x a new version out every 2 years and then its almost like all previous releases are then unsupported with one or 2 security updates here and there. But if you want a new version of safari or mail you better upgrade the whole OS!! (oh please!)

iapps? sure they are great, iphoto is very good but there also alternative solutions out there that are just as good. Also the number one iapp myth is that they are NOT free. Google will give you free copies of picasa all the time, apple will charge you money to upgrade to full screen editing etc.

No crashes? Os X does crash believe it or not... XP Pro edition is rock solid and try and crash windows 2003 server. MS do make stable products that work on more than one hardware config.

Virus? Welcome to real life, sure OS x is more secure than windows but if it got 50% market share expect some more conflicts, OS X is NOT immune so be warned.

The list goes on... yes I made a lot of apple users angry, hey i am a mac user. Its a superb system but its not going to beat vista. I have been a big fan of apple for years and years but 10.5 just hasnt really grab me yet. Windows is a superb OS that does everything OS X does and some more.. if MS dont do it then there will be a third party developer who does. That my 2 cents... before anybody quotes me out of anger just remember i am a mac user who just looking at it realistically instead of being a fanboy who OS maker is never ever wrong...

Edited 2006-08-26 22:08

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RE: short answer:: no
by GStepper on Sat 26th Aug 2006 23:01 in reply to "short answer:: no"
GStepper Member since:
2006-03-08

Sorry, but I don't fully agree with youu and let me tell you why:

bussiness reason: MS have a bussines roadmap which multi million $ companies rely on, Apple do but nobody outside of Apple HQ knows it... strike one no big names bussiness will follow a hidden agenda.

Companies are very interested in alternatives for server and desktop (see linux for instance) I personnaly work for company that was windows and we have 50% of our servers base running OSS, we increased performance while decreasing the cost. OS X and OS X servers are cheaper than their microsoft conterparts and they have a chance to gently increase their market share.

OS updates: they are expensive for what a Windows user will call a sp. You can buy a copy of windows and it will be supported for years and years with no extra price. OS x a new version out every 2 years and then its almost like all previous releases are then unsupported with one or 2 security updates here and there. But if you want a new version of safari or mail you better upgrade the whole OS!! (oh please!)

For the last OS X versions I paid more or less (a few more in reality) the same price than a single license of windows xp pro while I have system features and facilities that simply don't exist in windows.

iapps? sure they are great, iphoto is very good but there also alternative solutions out there that are just as good. Also the number one iapp myth is that they are NOT free. Google will give you free copies of picasa all the time, apple will charge you money to upgrade to full screen editing etc.

Just give your list of iApps alternatives ???
Now are those apps working together ???
Are those apps as simple/powerfull as iApps ???
How much do you pay them ???

Honestly GarageBand, iMovie are as great as iPhoto is.

No crashes? Os X does crash believe it or not... XP Pro edition is rock solid and try and crash windows 2003 server. MS do make stable products that work on more than one hardware config.

OS X crashes and windows xp is rock solid.... hum hum.

We have 300 windows clients and a dozen of server running win 2K3 and I wouldn't call them rock solid, at least no more than any other major OS (including OS X).

Virus? Welcome to real life, sure OS x is more secure than windows but if it got 50% market share expect some more conflicts, OS X is NOT immune so be warned.

I agree but I would have added some simple fact such as:

How many windows virii, spywares on windows during 2005 ? A lot, indeed a human can't count them all.

How many on OS X (no talking about prove of concept)
? Well... not a single one.
Facts are important sometimes.

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RE: short answer:: no
by aGNUstic on Mon 28th Aug 2006 00:05 in reply to "short answer:: no"
aGNUstic Member since:
2005-07-28

"... XP Pro edition is rock solid and try and crash windows 2003 server. MS do make stable products that work on more than one hardware config."

Okay, I'll tell that one to my WinDump counterparts in the data center. They'll get a good laugh.

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RE[2]: short answer:: no
by Alleister on Mon 28th Aug 2006 06:38 in reply to "RE: short answer:: no"
Alleister Member since:
2006-05-29

Every Windows Mashine i stumbled upon that was prone to crashes was suffering from either someone "administrating" it *very* bad (and you can get an unstable linux or OS X if you try hard to do something realy dumb) or broken hardware. It doesn't mean anything if a big number of identical mashines are making trouble, because some hardware out there is realy crappy stuff with bad condensators which die after a certain period of time.

At college, our Windows boxes (quite nice Dell mashines) run as stable as our Linux boxes (which run on the exact same hardware) and unix boxes (mostly sparcstations - though i have to admit that i never saw a sparcstation crash in my life), but then again, our admins aren't retards.

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RE[3]: short answer:: no
by aGNUstic on Mon 28th Aug 2006 13:20 in reply to "RE: short answer:: no"
aGNUstic Member since:
2005-07-28

"...from either someone "administrating" it *very* bad..."

I agree. In an academic environment you generally find a blend of people who have different skill sets as-well-as technologies.

Some are quite good at what they do SQL, software installs, hardware repair or maintenance, networking, etc. Generally these individuals are wearing two or three `hats` due to fiscal issues.

Our campus has a multitude of legacy systems and new. They range from *nix to 2k3 servers. Specifically I am responsible for *nix, BSD, Linux, and OSX servers as well as the Oracle servers. I just took over those last month.

The machines I've taken over last month, specifically the 2k3 Oracle servers, have been administered badly. Someone allowed McAffee to be installed over or onto the entire servers `not` excluding the databases.

I had to reboot the 2k3 server after a Thwate certificate update. As general practice, it's good to reboot an NT 5.2 box every so often and there were issue in applying the certificate. Generally an easy procedure. Needless to say, McAffee had decided select all types of programs to quarantine. The programs on this server had been running in memory since March.

I had to rebuild the server from scratch since back ups would not assist me and the previous person who had this job has moved to Dubai. March was the date the 2k Oracle servers were updated to 2k3. However this altered McAffee to rip and shred this server I'll never know. My job was to get this server back into production - not analyze the previous workers logic.

You tell me, was this a systems administrator or an operating system issue?

Sometimes the lines blur between "useless" and "overwhealmed" as-well-as "novice" and "experienced".

Edited 2006-08-28 13:24

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RE[2]: short answer:: no
by OMRebel on Mon 28th Aug 2006 21:01 in reply to "RE: short answer:: no"
OMRebel Member since:
2005-11-14

Win 2003 Server is a very good and stable OS. It's done great at work on my Dell PowerEdge servers. The rest of MSFT's OS's (with the exception of Win 2000) do suck. But, give credit where it's due. 2003 is rock solid.

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