Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 25th Aug 2006 20:54 UTC
Linux Red Herring interviews Eric Raymond. "Open-source advocate Eric Raymond on winning over the iPod generation, the need for open source to conquer hearts and minds beyond geekdom, and why Linux advocates don't have much time to beat Microsoft." Update by ELQ: Raymond shows signs of once more playing a bigger role in open-source circles. Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols explains this change of strategy in DesktopLinux.com as he knows Raymond personally.
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RE[3]: Nice...
by HappyGod on Mon 28th Aug 2006 01:44 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Nice..."
HappyGod
Member since:
2005-10-19

While I agree that it is nice to be able to choose between Gnome or KDE, and also between distros, I also think that Linux distros should choose to accept a unifying standard for software installs.

While lots of distros support RPM, everyone knows that if it isn't compiled specifically for your distro, you're headed straight for dependency hell.

I don't mind having specific RPMs for each distro, but you should *always* have the option of downloading an uber RPM that contains all of the dependencies.

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RE[4]: Nice...
by ma_d on Mon 28th Aug 2006 02:24 in reply to "RE[3]: Nice..."
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

They made something like this, it's called AUTOPACKAGE. It downloads all the necessary libraries needed if they're available as an autopackage.

And it includes the code to install the autopackage installer inside each application installer.

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RE[4]: Nice...
by twenex on Mon 28th Aug 2006 02:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Nice..."
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21


While lots of distros support RPM, everyone knows that if it isn't compiled specifically for your distro, you're headed straight for dependency hell.


Maybe that's what everyone "knows", but based on a little experiment I did tonight, maybe everyone should know (no inverted commas) that that's a canard.

I downloaded an rpm for Suse 9.3 the other day and have been using it on 10.0. No probs.

So tonight after seeing your post I decided to do a little experiment.

I like most, the most-is-more-than-less-is-more-than-more pager, so I downloaded an RPM for Red Hat something and installed it (this is still on SuSE). Works fine. So I decided to try something a little more complicated. I downloaded amiwm, the Amiga look-alike window manager, for Mandriva. It depends on xloadimage, mandrake-desk, and ksh; mandrake-desk depends on mandrake-themes.

So I downloaded them all (from a variety of different distros' rpm repositories, and a variety of versions of those distros) and am sitting here typing this in a Firefox window managed by amiwm.

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RE[5]: Nice...
by HappyGod on Mon 28th Aug 2006 06:48 in reply to "RE[4]: Nice..."
HappyGod Member since:
2005-10-19

All that proves is that you got lucky.

For example, yesterday I needed an application to read Windows .CHM files on Linux. Why don't you go ahead and try running the Fedora RPMs for xCHM on PCLOS?

I'll check back on you tomorrow night once you've given up and decided to just compile the damn thing ...

I mean are you trying to convince us that you have *never* run into dependency issues with RPM packages before?

This is why new linux users often become dissolutioned, because experienced users try to create an illusion that these issues don't exist.

Edited 2006-08-28 06:57

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