Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 30th Aug 2006 17:05 UTC, submitted by jcpinto
Linspire Starting today, Linspire does not only offer a free OS, but also its CNR Basic service. " Linspire, Inc., developer of the commercial desktop Linux operating system of the same name and Freespire, the free community desktop Linux operating system, announced the immediate change in pricing for its popular CNR Service from an annual subscription fee based offering to a completely free service." CEO Carmony said: "We're thrilled to now be in a position to offer this excellent service to desktop Linux users absolutely free. CNR really makes using desktop Linux easy, and we want everyone to have access to this quality service."
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RE: A good start, I guess...
by KevinCarmony on Wed 30th Aug 2006 18:42 UTC in reply to "A good start, I guess..."
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Now if they would just get rid of the desktop-as-root-by-default garbage, I might start to take this distro somewhat seriously.

Someone needs to get out more. That is some seriously outdated FUD. That went bye bye long ago.

Can someone please get this gentleman some fresh FUD? =)


Edited 2006-08-30 18:43

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deanlinkous Member since:

Why not just say that freespire has corrected this situation and it is a priority to make sure that users do not run as root by default and that everything works so that no users would need to run as root. Face it, Linspire has had problems in the past with either running as root and/or things not running correctly without being root.

I think the way you handle stuff like this does nothing but detract from *spire in general. In fact, your denial of problems and spiteful responses to anyone bringing up issues is one of the biggest things that makes me dislike linspire and now freespire.

I guess it is also fud that you have old outdated packages in the CNR warehouse? That some of those packages are considered to be security risks by other distros and yet linspire has determined them to not be a issue.

Edited 2006-08-30 19:12

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Tuishimi Member since:

Ah yes there is always someone out there to pull the "you don't act professional" card out of their ***.

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alcibiades Member since:

Kevin, thank you for taking the time to reply. Its wise, and its generous too.

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John Blink Member since:

I would. But bandwidth costs time and money. :b

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egon_spengler Member since:

Uh, yeah, RIIIIGGHT. In Linspire, in all versions up to and including the new wonderweapon V2 release, if the user does NOT take any action to create a user, WHAT ARE they running as? Umm, ROOT maybe? Let's see, no other action taken (default), account used (root), sounds like desktop-as-root-by-default to me. Now, Freespire did a marvelous Ubuntu-take on the situation, and makes the first user created an entry in the sudoers file to allow for system maintenance, and the holdovers from Linspire need to be tweaked a bit to get around the bumps.

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deanlinkous Member since:

And would a new user KNOW they needed to create a user account in linspire. Nope! So while one could argue semantics, in linspire a new user will end up running as root.

Also the link I posted that a user will be unable to use their scanner unless they are root.

It is a shame that the linspire users want nothing more than to turn freespire back into the run-as-root distro and now they cite that the reason is becasue it is for advanced users.

Shameful really!

Edited 2006-08-30 22:35

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Anonymous Penguin Member since:

"Can someone please get this gentleman some fresh FUD?"

I couldn't agree more. To everybody who feels like him, take a look at kdmrc:



If disabled, do not allow root (and any other user with UID = 0) to log in directly.

The default is “true”.]

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egon_spengler Member since:

Linspire and Freespire do not currently use kdm, they use something called ldm for Linspire Display Manager, I would think. So, KDMRC entries are non-germane, but ldm gleefully allowing root account login would be.

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Gullible Jones Member since:

The default is not used in Linspire. And yes, what you call "FUD" is true. Freespire has gotten rid of desktop-as-root policy, and I congratulate them for that, but Linspire hasn't and that is stupid in the extreme.

Something you probably know already: most malicious software on *nix requires root priveleges to hijack your system. If you are running everything as root, the only advantage left to running Linux is that there's less malware made for it - running the desktop as root is a hazard. "It's a more secure operating system" is not an excuse to use extremely insecure default policies.

And for all you penguin-heads out there: I am not bashing your beloved operating system; I'm a fan of it myself. The people I am bashing are the ones who want to make it like Windows - too damned much like Windows.

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still crippled for two reasons
by roger64 on Thu 31st Aug 2006 06:41 in reply to "RE: A good start, I guess..."
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- because CNR will only be available to Freespire users later in the year and not NOW . They will need to wait for the OSS version of CNR.

- because even when this future -free- CNR will be available, only people using CNR gold service (50 dollars a year) will receive software update notifications and free OS updates.

Still crippled, dear.

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jcpinto Member since:

- because CNR will only be available to Freespire users later in the year and not NOW . They will need to wait for the OSS version of CNR.

CNR will be Free in late this year. It's free (as in beer) now.

- because even when this future -free- CNR will be available, only people using CNR gold service (50 dollars a year) will receive software update notifications and free OS updates.

Software updates in Freespire doesn't require CNR Gold. Not even CNR... apt is enough just like in any other debian like. However, besides apt you have the choice of CNR just like in Ubuntu you have the choice of update manager!

Edited 2006-08-31 16:32

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