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RE[3]: panic when install FreeBSD
by on Tue 9th Aug 2005 00:39 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: panic when install FreeBSD"

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>This has nothing to do with "arrogance and
>belittling." You complain of a problem and offer those
>that work hard to provide a free, stable system
>nothing in return - you give no detailed explanation
>of your hardware, nothing.

Firstly, I didn't complain of anything. It was someone else.

Secondly, it doesn't matter what the guy provided, he has a problem with FreeBSD and you tell him it is a problem with his laptop (I'm sure Windows XP doesn't panic while installing for him).

Lastly, he submitted little information. Why didn't you just ask nicely if he could submit more.

>If someone had a desire to help you, how would they
>possibly proceed with the non-existent information
>you've provided? Is it someone else's obligation to
>drag information out of you? Do you expect them to beg
>you to tell them what they need to know to find
>resolution to YOUR problem?

You know what? Good testers are actually pretty important. The market for great free operating systems is now fairly competitive if you hadn't realised. FreeBSD should do everything it can to cater for those people willing to try out unstable pre releases. The Linux community certianly understands the value of testers.

>Stop complaining and be willing to help others as much
>as you expect them to help you. This isn't charity,
>it's cooperation and community - there is a
>difference.

Wow. For someone so charitable and cooperative as yourself, one would have thought you'd have some manners when replying to a user in your own community.

Is it that hard to ask politely if they could provide a bit more information? I think it is just as easy as flaming them, while having a more productive end result.

Or perhaps you were on your high horse for a while there, and suddenly expected people to kiss your arse because you are "someone" in the FreeBSD world?

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Look at this:
http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=576797+0+archive/2005/...
And no one mail me to provide any further information.
Are you talk for community or what?
But I want to thanks a lot to all the people that help to many others on freebsd-questions mailing list!

>>You complain of a problem and offer those
>>that work hard to provide a free, stable system
>>nothing in return - you give no detailed explanation
>>of your hardware, nothing.

That was for me. And I didn't complain of anything. Just I wish to help with testing on my laptop.
And how to provide such information when i can't even install FreeBSD?!? May be info from WinXP will help?
I will try FreeBSD 5.4, if everything is ok I would provide info from dmesg...

>Secondly, it doesn't matter what the guy provided, he >has a problem with FreeBSD and you tell him it is a >problem with his laptop (I'm sure Windows XP doesn't >panic while installing for him).

And yes, I don't have a problem with this laptop what so ever. It's FreeBSD issue.

>You know what? Good testers are actually pretty >important. The market for great free operating systems >is now fairly competitive if you hadn't realised. >FreeBSD should do everything it can to cater for those >people willing to try out unstable pre releases.

I'm thinking like you.

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celt Member since:
2005-07-06

another anonymous whiner...

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ulib Member since:
2005-07-07

Dear Anonymous (IP: 83.228.33.---),
this is just my two pence - I'm simply a FreeBSD user.

I really think you already received the right advice, and it was this one:
"You can try to submit a problem report (indicating the laptop's model, the chipsets inside, the peripherals plugged-in/recognized, where exactly does it panic and such)."

If the OS panics, it means there's a bug somewhere. So, before doing anything please *submit a problem report*, because that's the way to actually *help* the FreeBSD developers to solve it.

Nobody answered to your email because as a user, whenever you have a problem, first of all you're supposed to *read the documentation*. If you did, you would know that submitting the PR was the proper action in order to see the issue solved as soon as possible.

I bet good testers are *extremely* welcome in the FreeBSD community.
But the good testers are the ones who do submit PRs.

Moreover: posting your issue here the way you did in your first message ("my laptop panic when installing FreeBSD!"...) really doesn't help you to solve your problem, and doesn't do justice to FreeBSD either, because on many laptops it runs just fine.

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