Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 1st Sep 2006 20:45 UTC, submitted by Valour
Gentoo Another review of Gentoo 2006.1. In one respect, Gentoo Linux 2006.1 is the same as it's always been, except with newer software on the installation media. Beginning with version 2006.0, though, a graphical environment was added to the live CD along with an installation program that rarely worked properly. The good news is, the installer works reasonably well in Gentoo 2006.1; the bad news is, it's still quicker and easier to install by hand via the command line.
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Ugh
by atsureki on Sat 2nd Sep 2006 09:32 UTC
atsureki
Member since:
2006-03-12

Gentoo is dead to me. I can see why they'd want to dabble in the mass appeal of a graphical installer, but to eliminate the universal liveCDs overnight in favor of a brand new installer with the versatility of a spork is a complete disgrace. You can't do an offline install from source anymore. They don't offer any CD image for x86 or amd64 that has stages and source tarballs on it. If the target system doesn't have a live network connection, you can't install Gentoo from source. What is Gentoo, then? Looks like every other distro, but with a buggier, less powerful, harder to use installer. Was there really such a niche waiting to be filled?

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RE: Ugh
by Headrush on Sat 2nd Sep 2006 19:03 in reply to "Ugh"
Headrush Member since:
2006-01-03

Well the majority of people do have network access.
If you had to download a package CD before, you can still download the stage tarballs as before. Either way you have to have network access at one point or the other.

I still do stage1 installs myself, but doing a stage3 is more practical and easier for new users. You start with a stage3 and then go back and recompile and can make changes as you see fit.

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RE[2]: Ugh
by atsureki on Sun 3rd Sep 2006 22:43 in reply to "RE: Ugh"
atsureki Member since:
2006-03-12

I'm fine with needing network access once I'm in my own installed environment and can run ndiswrapper, and I'd gladly make another CD with the files I need if there were any way to find out in advance which distfiles are necessary to complete an install, but the only way to do that is to have a working, networked gentoo environment already.

I broke down and tried to install with my laptop on the ethernet cord that belongs to the Mac I'm typing on right now (not happy about the downtime), and I was considering an attempt to make and distribute my own Universal CD with the distfiles I pulled down in the process, except that I unfortunately ended up with a portage snapshot where Grub won't compile, and I can't rsync in this state, so I'm stuck yet again.

Gentoo used to have a system that worked perfectly for me, and I can't be the only one. They seem to feel that the new experimental installer is such a perfect replacement for the Universal LiveCDs (which actually worked) that there's no reason to acknowledge there ever was such a thing. I think they've gone insane. Their preferred install method is a half-finished automator that launches on a desktop, and every liveCD has annoying, cartoony bootsplashes that cover up an option prompt. Am I the only one who thinks pretty graphics are for Fedora and gentoo should just work, without all the gimmicks? Why have distros if not for specialization?

I was hoping, way back when my above comment was modded up, that a gentoo maintainer might happen by and give it a thought, seeing that at least one person agreed with me. But, for all I know, it was exactly such a person who modded it back down. Honestly, I wouldn't complain this much about gentoo if I didn't love it, but they're going completely in the wrong direction. Installation wasn't the only hurdle to an installed user base. People who can't install it the old way wouldn't be able to maintain it in any way. Or is that next? A graphical tool that replaces all the manual config file editing? Fine, just not on gentoo.

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