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RE[4]: panic when install FreeBSD
by on Tue 9th Aug 2005 09:08 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: panic when install FreeBSD"

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Look at this:
http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=576797+0+archive/2005/...
And no one mail me to provide any further information.
Are you talk for community or what?
But I want to thanks a lot to all the people that help to many others on freebsd-questions mailing list!

>>You complain of a problem and offer those
>>that work hard to provide a free, stable system
>>nothing in return - you give no detailed explanation
>>of your hardware, nothing.

That was for me. And I didn't complain of anything. Just I wish to help with testing on my laptop.
And how to provide such information when i can't even install FreeBSD?!? May be info from WinXP will help?
I will try FreeBSD 5.4, if everything is ok I would provide info from dmesg...

>Secondly, it doesn't matter what the guy provided, he >has a problem with FreeBSD and you tell him it is a >problem with his laptop (I'm sure Windows XP doesn't >panic while installing for him).

And yes, I don't have a problem with this laptop what so ever. It's FreeBSD issue.

>You know what? Good testers are actually pretty >important. The market for great free operating systems >is now fairly competitive if you hadn't realised. >FreeBSD should do everything it can to cater for those >people willing to try out unstable pre releases.

I'm thinking like you.

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celt Member since:
2005-07-06

another anonymous whiner...

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ulib Member since:
2005-07-07

Dear Anonymous (IP: 83.228.33.---),
this is just my two pence - I'm simply a FreeBSD user.

I really think you already received the right advice, and it was this one:
"You can try to submit a problem report (indicating the laptop's model, the chipsets inside, the peripherals plugged-in/recognized, where exactly does it panic and such)."

If the OS panics, it means there's a bug somewhere. So, before doing anything please *submit a problem report*, because that's the way to actually *help* the FreeBSD developers to solve it.

Nobody answered to your email because as a user, whenever you have a problem, first of all you're supposed to *read the documentation*. If you did, you would know that submitting the PR was the proper action in order to see the issue solved as soon as possible.

I bet good testers are *extremely* welcome in the FreeBSD community.
But the good testers are the ones who do submit PRs.

Moreover: posting your issue here the way you did in your first message ("my laptop panic when installing FreeBSD!"...) really doesn't help you to solve your problem, and doesn't do justice to FreeBSD either, because on many laptops it runs just fine.

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finally!!!

A voice of reason.

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>Nobody answered to your email because as a user,
>whenever you have a problem, first of all you're
>supposed to *read the documentation*. If you did, you
>would know that submitting the PR was the proper action
>in order to see the issue solved as soon as possible.

A helpful prod in the right direction doesn't take much effort.

Just because he may not have done exactly the right thing, the fact that he is running an unstable tree and is willing to report his problems should indicate that he is a valuable resource.

>I bet good testers are *extremely* welcome in the
>FreeBSD community.
>But the good testers are the ones who do submit PRs.

So says the FreeBSD community.

>Moreover: posting your issue here the way you did in
>your first message ("my laptop panic when installing
>FreeBSD!"...) really doesn't help you to solve your
>problem, and doesn't do justice to FreeBSD either,
>because on many laptops it runs just fine.

You guys also have this weird fetish with once off anecdotal reports. If one person reports a problem, a couple of people always chime in with "well it works for me", as if that is any proof of the absense of a bug.

It is also very condecending - like "oh I don't believe you could have hit a bug in our code, it must be a problem on your end".

Listen, you obviously don't think there is anything wrong with FreeBSD guys being arrogant assholes to their users, but you needn't feign surprise when you hear about it.

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