Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th Sep 2006 21:39 UTC
Windows Microsoft announced on Tuesday US prices for Windows Vista, the long-awaited new version of the operating system that sits on more than 90 percent of the world's personal computers. The software maker set the retail price for Vista at between USD 100 and USD 259 for users upgrading from older versions of Windows. The prices range from the basic version of Vista to the top-end 'ultimate' edition. For consumers looking to buy Vista without an upgrade, the products will cost between USD 199 to USD 399, Microsoft said.
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One more thing.
by Omega Penguin on Tue 5th Sep 2006 23:30 UTC
Omega Penguin
Member since:
2006-02-12

Why does every discussion on here turns into "Linux rules/sucks!"? This discussion is about Vista and it's pretty window effects. "drool"

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RE: One more thing.
by cyclops on Wed 6th Sep 2006 00:02 in reply to "One more thing."
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"Linux rules/sucks!" Its like that because if you are are talking about a comparison Linux is really easy to compare, FREE vs $200 to $400 and you get more with linux.

Thats why they have all these TCO arguments. That Microsoft spends Millions on.

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RE[2]: One more thing.
by raver31 on Wed 6th Sep 2006 01:15 in reply to "RE: One more thing."
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

you missed the point of all them TCO arguments.
it does not matter if linux is free, microsoft says windows is better value for money because it is not free ???????

like microsoft say, there is more to it than initial cost, like training staff.

emmm, linux is so easy these days complete noobs pick it up very easily. it is more intuitive than windows.

ok, so they also said it is the cost of upgrades and support.

hmmmm linux support costs big money, if you want 24/7 telephone support, but then, microsoft support is expensive too. 33% dearer than radhats..

oh, and you need to pay for a license for each person using each piece of software, oh, wait, thats windows..

but the worse thing... after all the "truly independent", ie, not microsoft sponsored, reports say that the TCO of windows is higher, purchasers for most businesses go out and buy windows anyway..

there is a saying. " there is one born every minute"

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RE: One more thing.
by hal2k1 on Wed 6th Sep 2006 00:38 in reply to "One more thing."
hal2k1 Member since:
2005-11-11

//This discussion is about Vista and it's pretty window effects. "drool"//

Actually, this discussion is about "Microsoft Sets Pricing for Windows Vista".

In that context, surely it is entirely on topic to raise the point that one can get better software including a full set of applications and "pretty window effects" with Linux and compiz with Xgl or AIGLX, for an all-up price of $0.

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RE[2]: One more thing.
by raver31 on Wed 6th Sep 2006 01:21 in reply to "RE: One more thing."
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

surely it is entirely on topic to raise the point that one can get better software including a full set of applications and "pretty window effects" with Linux and compiz with Xgl or AIGLX, for an all-up price of $0.

no
because you missed out on the other things linux already has that vista might have, in the future.

Vista "innovations" Linux equivalent

Instant search Beagle
Aero Xgl
Desktop Widgets Superkaramba
Network Explorer Bonjour
Bitlocker Built in encyrpt
Security ????? proven security

People always say Linux is playing catch-up....
How can you catch up when you are already ahead ?

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RE[3]: One more thing.
by DigitalAxis on Wed 6th Sep 2006 03:21 in reply to "RE: One more thing."
DigitalAxis Member since:
2005-08-28

Better software? I'd agree with you mostly, except for the giant gaping hole that is OpenOffice(allbutWriter).

Seriously, you can't use OpenOffice.Org Calc to plot x versus y. I tried. You can plot x versus index and y versus index. That's really not useful for what I need Calc to do, usually. There are other, far more powerful and far more suitable programs for graphing on Linux, but some of them take far more setup time to make just a simple graph.

OpenOffice.Org Impress is THE most likely piece of software to crash my computer. It takes up a lot of resources to just do a simple presentation. If you do ANYTHING more than a couple simple effects it will bog down, and may completely hang X such that you can't switch to another virtual terminal to kill it. This happens even with Impress presentations, so it's not a Powerpoint incompatibility.

Both of these need a lot of love (features in Calc's case, speed and stability in Impress's case).

This is OpenOffice.Org 2.0.3 on Xubuntu Dapper Drake, by the way. If these problems are at all specific to Ubuntu, please let me know. I'd like to be able to deliver presentations with Linux...


As for the actual TOPIC of this article, I sadly don't think it matters what they charge for Vista. Within months, that's all you'll be able to buy anyway. I personally don't see a reason to upgrade from XP, so I won't. I probably will end up submerged in a sea of Vista eventually, but hopefully the work Microsoft put into reworking large portions of code pays off so it'll be less buggy.

(I wonder if Microsoft's labelling of XP as 'less buggy' has anything to do with everyone clicking 'don't send' when an application crashes)

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RE[2]: One more thing.
by Soulbender on Wed 6th Sep 2006 08:38 in reply to "One more thing."
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"Why does every discussion on here turns into "Linux rules/sucks!"?""

It's just like the Linux threads that turns into Windows rules/sucks, only vice-versa.

"This discussion is about Vista and it's pretty window effects. "drool""

It's about the Vista pricing, actually.

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