Microsoft announced on Tuesday US prices for Windows Vista, the long-awaited new version of the operating system that sits on more than 90 percent of the world's personal computers. The software maker set the retail price for Vista at between USD 100 and USD 259 for users upgrading from older versions of Windows. The prices range from the basic version of Vista to the top-end 'ultimate' edition. For consumers looking to buy Vista without an upgrade, the products will cost between USD 199 to USD 399, Microsoft said.
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Member since:2005-11-13
No , it was the employee.
Our employees are trained on whatever we run.
Should read : the employee dont know how to code and are protecting there job by blaming the platform instead of there own lack of knowledge.
No its called not being able to justify the costs in re-writing hundreds of 'line of business' applications.
Should read : Employee are not trained to make Wine integration and dont know how to use it.
There is no wine integration, its a freakin' hack at best. If you want to peg critical business systems to wine you are out of your mind.
Security , Stability , etc ... if you got 30 million per year to loose in process not working due to maintenance , security fix , and the OS you use , its your company problem.
Thats the problem, contrary to what people like you believe, a lot of organizations are getting stability and security out of Windows. We have had processes in place for a long time now that make windows security work for us.
There is maintenance on everything, even our *nix side has support people.
Should read : the Job protection we have created by usig and only using Microsoft products.
We use a bit of everything, AIX,HP/UX,RedHat,Solaris and yes even windows.
Of course you are such a troll I don't expect you to grasp that.
Not really.
Don't try and tell me WTF we use and do not use at my place of business you little twerp. You have no clue.
Thats not GNU/Linux , those are opponent and competition servers solutions.
Hell yeah, we take the best system for the job.
Thats how much time left you got before your pension ?
No I'm a young one, I have a good 30+ years left.
Or the Manager who have incompetant like you as employee and who listen to what you have to say on the mather.
Actually I was all for it until multiple groups of people in multiple locations all came back and said 'no'.
We don't have a single IT person here you twit. The company has over 100,000 employees in multiple countries.
I guess a company pulling down billions a year hired thousands of idiots. We'll just fire them all and hire just you, sounds like a great idea!
1) Employee competance. If they dont know what theyre doing and are not competent on the OS or software , its a 100% guarantee on failure.
Thank you captain obvious!
When someone cant work with a machine , you get someone who can , when you get someone who cant work with a software you get someone who can , when someone cant work with an OS who is saving you money , you get someone who can.
No actually you usually provide training and support for them until they can perform on the machine.
We can't afford to kick people to the curb because they don't know how to use a certain software app. Its hard to find people who are certified and have the knowledge/skills to build the products we build to begin with.
I think you are narrow minded at best, and probably a disaster waiting to happen for an unsuspecting IT department at worst. Either way you certainly don't 'get it'
Member since:2005-07-06
"Our employees are trained on whatever we run."
Let me guess your one of the trainer ... Training never replace experience anyway.
"its called not being able to justify the costs in re-writing hundreds of 'line of business' applications."
* Saving on maintenance cost ( employee time + software patching )
* saving on up time ( its up all the time )
* make more money , due to no shortage due to software or hardware related problem.
* doubling process power instead of buying software license.
"There is no wine integration"
Off course wine work out of the box with everything perfectly ... thats why you dont use it (cynical) ...
"its a freakin' hack at best."
If thats the level of expertise at your shop , then yes ...
"If you want to peg critical business systems to wine you are out of your mind. "
Then I am out of mu mind so does everyone who use it to run Windows legacy application in a secure environment.
"Thats the problem"
No , I aint THE problem at YOUR shop.
"contrary to what people like you believe"
I dont believe , I know , thats the difference between you and I , I will test things and see if they can be implemented before implementing them.
"a lot of organizations are getting stability and security out of Windows. "
Stability and security are not comments one hear mentionned with windows , quite the contrary.
"We have had processes in place for a long time now that make windows security work for us. "
Do you read what you write ? You need a process to make windows security work for you , Windows security is suppose to work for you without a process.
" There is maintenance on everything, even our *nix side has support people. "
True , but its the details and cost that are interesting.
" We use a bit of everything, AIX,HP/UX,RedHat,Solaris and yes even windows."
So your trying to sugest that you use AIX,HP/UX,RedHat,Solaris for your desktop solution ?
" Of course you are such a troll I don't expect you to grasp that. "
I grasp it , but unlike you I see a real problem with it.
" Don't try and tell me WTF we use and do not use at my place of business you little twerp. You have no clue."
Not trying at all , I meant it entirely when I say you dont use what you call Linux. GNU/Linux as an entire galaxy to offer that you know nothing about.
"Hell yeah, we take the best system for the job."
No , you take what employee like you can run and know how to use. wich is one of my point entirely.
"No I'm a young one, I have a good 30+ years left."
Statistically , today unless your the boss , owner or a partner , little chance of that happening.
" Actually I was all for it until multiple groups of people in multiple locations all came back and said 'no'."
I wonder why they said no after you said yes , maybe because you did not offer a working solution ...
" We don't have a single IT person here you twit. The company has over 100,000 employees in multiple countries. "
100,000 employee to maintain windows ...
" I guess a company pulling down billions a year hired thousands of idiots. We'll just fire them all and hire just you, sounds like a great idea! "
If they cant use GNU/Linux ...
"Thank you captain obvious!"
Yes , like you figured it out , I recall you saying something about running critical process on windows ...
"No actually you usually provide training and support for them until they can perform on the machine."
You whant someone who can perform now , the only time a company is going to offer training is when they cant replace someone by someone else who ask for a cheaper salary by putting an ads in the papers.
"We can't afford ... we build to begin with."
like I said it become an employee problem.
"I think you are narrow minded at best"
Thanks , that mean I have a mind ...
"and probably a disaster waiting to happen for an unsuspecting IT department at worst."
If by disaster , you mean the incompetent employee getting fired , then yes.
"Either way you certainly don't 'get it'"
Your right , I dont get how YOU work , but some company have too much money to waste.
Member since:2005-07-06
Member since:
2005-07-06
" At my work what killed Linux on the desktop was the applications. "
No , it was the employee.
"its hard to look at re-writing "
Should read : the employee dont know how to code and are protecting there job by blaming the platform instead of there own lack of knowledge.
"coming up with a kludge for the situation"
Should read : Employee are not trained to make Wine integration and dont know how to use it.
"without a damn good reason"
Security , Stability , etc ... if you got 30 million per year to loose in process not working due to maintenance , security fix , and the OS you use , its your company problem.
"Even with the windows issues"
Should read : the employee issue with windows.
"we deal with all "
Should read : costing the company millions in the process.
"and all the infastructure we have built "
Should read : the Job protection we have created by using and only using Microsoft products.
"we are still growing the business."
Should read : we are still making Microsoft profits grows and our company suffer only a minor hit of hundred of million on profit due to employee incompetance , but hey they would nerver notice.
"Now we do use Linux"
Not really.
" in fact we use HP/UX, AIX on RS6000 machines and Solaris on Sun hardware "
Thats not GNU/Linux , those are opponent and competition servers solutions.
" I'd bet that lasts at least another 5-10 years if MS did absolutely nothing from this day forward. "
Thats how much time left you got before your pension ?
" is the fool who migrates an entire organization based on the up front costs of the software"
Or the Manager who have incompetant like you as employee and who listen to what you have to say on the mather.
"There is far more than licensing fees to investigate when looking at a transition."
1) Employee competance. If they dont know what theyre doing and are not competent on the OS or software , its a 100% guarantee on failure.
When someone cant work with a machine , you get someone who can , when you get someone who cant work with a software you get someone who can , when someone cant work with an OS who is saving you money , you get someone who can.
Its like asking your horse driver if they can operate cars , some can , others cant , most of them whont.