Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Sep 2006 18:24 UTC
Windows Two negative reviews of Vista RC1. First off, CRN says: "Microsoft is making its first Vista release candidate and pricing information more broadly available to partners and consumers this week. Solution providers who have seen it say it's not yet ready for prime time." Our favourite Microsoft Apple Microsoft zealot Paul Thurrot posted the 2nd part of his RC1 review: "Overall, Windows Vista is a stunning bit of work. But the devil is in the details, as they say, and Microsoft has never been very good at consistency and that final bit of polish that separates something competent from something wonderful." In the meantime, one of Vista's lead developers has left Microsoft.
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Bnonn
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2005-09-02

Well, maybe so, but isn't this the method that a large number of users will employ to get Vista up and running? That is to say, won't this be the default method of installing Vista for users who aren't buying a new PC with Vista preloaded? This being the case, shouldn't the upgrade process go smoooth-ly (in the words of Zim)? It seems pretty important that it does. I know that upgrading is tricky, and that when custom apps are installed this is always going to cause problems, but I would still have expected this to be a major focus for Microsoft, so as to ensure that as few problems were encountered, for as few users, as possible.

By the by, although it may be an apples-oranges comparison, I'd like to observe that upgrading is something that Ubuntu tends to do very well. I can't speak for special cases of funky software being installed, since I generally only use stuff from the Ubuntu repositories, but I upgraded from Warty to Hoary, from Hoary to Breezy, and from Breezy to Dapper, without ever reinstalling, and without any problems that I remember. I'm sure some other people will not have had such an easy time, but in my experience Ubuntu far outpaces Windows in the stability of the upgrade process (I recently reinstalled upgrading to Edgy, but this is because I changed CPU arches). Edgy, incidentally, has been very solid so far and I really like it.

I mention Ubuntu because I see it in direct competition with Windows---and if it is doing something better than Windows is, then Microsoft should take note. At the moment, I cannot see any reason to use Vista; compared to Ubuntu, it really looks a bit low-class---especially given the price difference!

Ymmv of course (:

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lord_rob Member since:
2005-08-06

I've been using Debian Sid on my other box since 2001. I've never run into any serious problem. I do upgrades every day. So I believe what you say about Ubuntu. You can thank Debian for that ;)

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twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

I once had Debian on my system and apt-get completely fouled it up, though it may have been a PEBKAC.

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Bnonn Member since:
2005-09-02

I do (: Ubuntu is greatly indebted to Debian, and I hope that the issues raised by those developers who have left Debian of late are not as serious as the media hype seems to suggest.

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mallard Member since:
2006-01-06

Unfortunately, when I tried to do the upgrade from Ubuntu 5.10 to 6.06 using their graphical apt-get wrapper, it failed and left my system unbootable.

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Well, maybe so, but isn't this the method that a large number of users will employ to get Vista up and running? That is to say, won't this be the default method of installing Vista for users who aren't buying a new PC with Vista preloaded?

Yes, unfortunately. Which underscores the point that 98% of people having problems with Windows don't know how to run it properly. Of course, this is no fault of their own .. these people are probably better off on Macs.

but I would still have expected this to be a major focus for Microsoft, so as to ensure that as few problems were encountered, for as few users, as possible.

With XP, I think there's only so far you can go .. I mean, God himself probably couldn't make the upgrade process go smoothly for everyone ;)

At the moment, I cannot see any reason to use Vista; compared to Ubuntu, it really looks a bit low-class---especially given the price difference!

It really depends on what you use computers for. For example, if you are a professional who uses computers to make music for a living, then any flavor of Linux doesn't make a whole lot sense. At least, not compared to Windows or OSX. There are some other things where this is true as well.

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