Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Sep 2006 20:55 UTC, submitted by digihome
Windows "On Sept. 1, Microsoft began rolling out Vista RC1, raising hopes that all of the major issues have been resolved in the months since the beta two version. And it appears those hopes have been largely fulfilled. Here's a look at the top five improvements that RC1 brings since the beta releases of Vista."
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vista jokes
by tiiim on Fri 8th Sep 2006 22:58 UTC
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Member since:
2005-09-02

you know these Vista jokes like "...if its sooo much more improved why doesn't it ship so that PC junkies can buy systems for x-mas" are not even funny or clever anymore... if i had a $ for every time made a vista joke i would be a very rich person indeed. Your Vista jokes are not funny or even smart.

Firstly, Vista is in beta testing, making, compiling, and tweaking and entire OS that 90% of the PC market will use is no small task and something that should not be taken lightly. Im for one are glad MS have delayed Vista to get it right.. why ship a half bake product? (again no jokes ... if you knew anything about coding you will realise this is so important).

Secondly,If you so have a problem with Vista why do you compare your fav OS to it? Why for example, does Apple spend half the time comparing itself to Vista and same with some Linux distros? Why do we get "easier to use than Windows" and "more realiable than Windows" why bother spending half your time comparing to a system you dislike? Why don't you ask 80 year old mrs blah down the road to compile a whole linux distro or better yet, BSD distro from source? Spend 1 week config the display drives, 2 weeks installing the printer and spend half the time compiling the source apps to work? Oh i forgot she don't like doing that so you make an easy to install package software despite you won't these Windows user to "learn their computer". Without you knowing it... you make Windows the standard that you must out perform. If it don't work like Windows know one will use it. MS are the standard now.

Moreover, Linux/Apple have to compete against Windows because it does a great job in providing an experiencing to the end user. Whether you like it or not most comps run on Windows and your "linux is better" slogans are so tiring it now its not even funny. If your fav OS was so perfect why isnt it running high in the percentage in the OS market? why arnt dell, compaq etc OEM'ing Linux on their systems? Why isnt Apple selling as many laptops as Dell? Their are many reasons and granted its the system that was already pre installed... but Windows is the standard. Vista is the next gen release of Windows and within a few years most PCs will have it installed. Contray to popular fanboy beliefs, Linux is not outselling Windows.

It is so fanboyish and annoying when people post these articles... instead of talking about the article it always "desktop linux this year" or "Steve just sneezed call the press" posts. Come on give over.. How about you try and compile an OS yourself and make one from scratch. When you run 90% of the world computers you need to "get it right" before you ship. So what Vista been delayed...wow...

The sad thing if apple delayed their products its called: innovation

If open source products are delayed its called: testing

If Vista is delayed Ms are screwing up. Give over... im not hear to argue but look what your typing sometimes.

oh btw i am writting this in a NON Microsoft OS so flame me if you want but just trying to be honest here.

Edited 2006-09-08 23:01

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RE: vista jokes
by bornagainenguin on Fri 8th Sep 2006 23:04 in reply to "vista jokes"
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

if i had a $ for every time made a vista joke i would be a very rich person indeed.

Yeah! You might even be able to buy a copy of Vista with that much! ;)

--bornagainpenguin

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RE: vista jokes
by naelurec on Sat 9th Sep 2006 04:24 in reply to "vista jokes"
naelurec Member since:
2006-02-15

Im for one are glad MS have delayed Vista to get it right..

Well they are delaying it.. we have to wait and see if they "get it right".

If you so have a problem with Vista why do you compare your fav OS to it?

It is the new OS from the market leader. Pretending it does not exist is quite foolish.

Why don't you ask 80 year old mrs blah down the road..

I ask mrs blah to pop in a Linux live CD/DVD .. it boots up, gets internet, printer access, a huge array of applications and is fully usable. Because its a live CD, no worries about viruses or any of that crap. ;) I *do* tell mrs blah to install anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-malware software on her Windows machine.. install a firewall, use alternative browsers as IE is insecure, manage windows updates, etc.. oh yah, she doesn't like doing that as well and still gets infected.. umm.. tough.

If your fav OS was so perfect why isnt it running high in the percentage in the OS market?

Its simple .. really. Microsoft has a better business model. They focused on marketing and aimed high with OEM exclusive deals. Where many tech companies were run by technologist, Microsoft was run by keen business executives and they won out. That was then. Now a LOT of software is Windows-exclusive. From a support POV, its almost a requirement to run on Windows (versus even a virtual machine such as VMWARE). For an IT department trained in Windows, its a no-brainer .. keep with something they know (job security) or be put out of a job with something superior. I know of a network of about 150 computers that converted to Unix thinclients running on 4 servers. IT cost dropped through the floor.. what took a handful of IT guys to manage now took one part-time IT person to manage. Given the thinclient configuration and redundancy on the backend, availability is much higher and emergencies are rare. No viruses, no spyware or other issues allow the system to run nice and smooth. This is a major threat to an IT monkey's livelihood.

I do agree with you -- lets wait until it is released to truly assess it. We are about 5 months away from a general release (assuming no more delays occur). During this time, there will be other major OS releases (ie new Ubuntu, new Mac OS X) so it will be interesting to see these systems side-by-side.

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RE[2]: vista jokes
by Rayz on Sat 9th Sep 2006 06:45 in reply to "RE: vista jokes"
Rayz Member since:
2006-06-24

I ask mrs blah to pop in a Linux live CD/DVD .. it boots up, gets internet, printer access, a huge array of applications and is fully usable. Because its a live CD, no worries about viruses or any of that crap. ;) I *do* tell mrs blah to install anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-malware software on her Windows machine.. install a firewall, use alternative browsers as IE is insecure, manage windows updates, etc.. oh yah, she doesn't like doing that as well and still gets infected.. umm.. tough.

Well Mrs Blah may need to find another computer bod to help her out. Windows comes with a firewall that is switched on by default. Most packages come with an anti-virus software installed anyway and I never could understand why Linux fans insist on spreading the myth, that Linux doesn't require security updates. It simply isn't true. Oh, and Windows updates don't actually need managing. They show up, they install. No biggie, even for Mrs Blah.

I tried a few Linux distros last year, but for me, the software for available just didn't match up to what I could get under Windows. They lacked functionality and that final bit of spit and polish. A year is a long time, and I'm sure things have changed, but since Vista has shown signs of life, it seems that the Linux community has closed ranks and will not allow any criticsm of their OS. I'm always a little nervous of products that cannot bear criticsm; they tend not to move forward. Perhaps that is why Linux hasn't managed to gain any significant desktop share, despite the Vista delays.

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RE: vista jokes
by MysterMask on Sat 9th Sep 2006 07:50 in reply to "vista jokes"
MysterMask Member since:
2005-07-12

Firstly, Vista is in beta testing

Actually, they are in release candidate stage, so you brought up the old joke that MS always releases beta quality software as final product or to cite yourself: Your Vista jokes are not funny or even smart.


However, if the market leader trumpets for years about the next product generations features, user friendlieness, stability, etc. and then fails to deliver (anybody remembers the claims MS did about the security of XP or the revolutionary Windows95 which was a third class rip-off of MacOS), I guess people are allowed to make fun of them (and their entire fangirl section), aren't they? IMHO, they deserve it!
(Actually, the fun in said jokes comes from their proximity to truth..)

OS that 90% of the PC market will use

Sorry. No OS from MS ever got 90% of the market. They still haven't convinced all users of 95/98/ME/2000 to upgrade.

Vista is a commercial product and important not only for MS but also for numerous hard- and software vendors for pure $$$ business reason (which means users have to pay for new hardware, upgrades of software, etc.).

However, from a users perspective, this OS seems to be more about:
- "features" which should have been there all along (security),
- have better implementations in other OSes (e. g. Expose),
- have no impact on users (re-written OS parts and new APIs - actually they are a confession that "old" Windows versions were by far not the superior products their marketing and fanboys always claimed),
- pure eye-candy (Aero).
- features already available in 3rd party software (desktop search)
- user restrictions like DRM (no need to talk about those)
- ..

Moreover, Linux/Apple have to compete against Windows because it does a great job in providing an experiencing to the end user.

Agreed - Windows is providing an experience to users.
But is it a good one? vI personally blame MS that most people think that a computer is something which is difficult to use, behaves unpredictable, needs frequent repairs, update and fixes, that it is normal that software all of sudden stops working, that the internet is a dangerous place, that it is normal to pay for bugfixes (Windows98, anyone?), etc.

It is so fanboyish and annoying when people post these articles

IMHO, it is fanboyish and annoying to see Vista articles whenever somebody somewhere detects something new or changed or feels qualified to write his opionen (good or bad) about it.

it always "desktop linux this year" or "Steve just sneezed call the press" posts.
And how are those "Vista is coming" articles any different? We are seeing articles about the "miracle" of Longhorn|Vista since years now. We all know the broken promises, the hype, the marketing, the "XP has not X but wait till Vista is released"-claimes, etc..

MS has enough money to sell their products - they sure don't need the marketing hype provided by various news sites including OSNews.

The sad thing if apple delayed their products its called: innovation

And your are talking about fangirlish behaviour of others?

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RE: vista jokes
by netpython on Sat 9th Sep 2006 15:10 in reply to "vista jokes"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

Whether you like it or not most comps run on Windows

Because that's preinstalled.And it is what the majority knows,if they care to know about PC's at all.
It does say as much about windows as about any other OS.Namely nada.

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