Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Sep 2006 20:55 UTC, submitted by digihome
Windows "On Sept. 1, Microsoft began rolling out Vista RC1, raising hopes that all of the major issues have been resolved in the months since the beta two version. And it appears those hopes have been largely fulfilled. Here's a look at the top five improvements that RC1 brings since the beta releases of Vista."
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RE: vista jokes
by naelurec on Sat 9th Sep 2006 04:24 UTC in reply to "vista jokes"
naelurec
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2006-02-15

Im for one are glad MS have delayed Vista to get it right..

Well they are delaying it.. we have to wait and see if they "get it right".

If you so have a problem with Vista why do you compare your fav OS to it?

It is the new OS from the market leader. Pretending it does not exist is quite foolish.

Why don't you ask 80 year old mrs blah down the road..

I ask mrs blah to pop in a Linux live CD/DVD .. it boots up, gets internet, printer access, a huge array of applications and is fully usable. Because its a live CD, no worries about viruses or any of that crap. ;) I *do* tell mrs blah to install anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-malware software on her Windows machine.. install a firewall, use alternative browsers as IE is insecure, manage windows updates, etc.. oh yah, she doesn't like doing that as well and still gets infected.. umm.. tough.

If your fav OS was so perfect why isnt it running high in the percentage in the OS market?

Its simple .. really. Microsoft has a better business model. They focused on marketing and aimed high with OEM exclusive deals. Where many tech companies were run by technologist, Microsoft was run by keen business executives and they won out. That was then. Now a LOT of software is Windows-exclusive. From a support POV, its almost a requirement to run on Windows (versus even a virtual machine such as VMWARE). For an IT department trained in Windows, its a no-brainer .. keep with something they know (job security) or be put out of a job with something superior. I know of a network of about 150 computers that converted to Unix thinclients running on 4 servers. IT cost dropped through the floor.. what took a handful of IT guys to manage now took one part-time IT person to manage. Given the thinclient configuration and redundancy on the backend, availability is much higher and emergencies are rare. No viruses, no spyware or other issues allow the system to run nice and smooth. This is a major threat to an IT monkey's livelihood.

I do agree with you -- lets wait until it is released to truly assess it. We are about 5 months away from a general release (assuming no more delays occur). During this time, there will be other major OS releases (ie new Ubuntu, new Mac OS X) so it will be interesting to see these systems side-by-side.

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RE[2]: vista jokes
by Rayz on Sat 9th Sep 2006 06:45 in reply to "RE: vista jokes"
Rayz Member since:
2006-06-24

I ask mrs blah to pop in a Linux live CD/DVD .. it boots up, gets internet, printer access, a huge array of applications and is fully usable. Because its a live CD, no worries about viruses or any of that crap. ;) I *do* tell mrs blah to install anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-malware software on her Windows machine.. install a firewall, use alternative browsers as IE is insecure, manage windows updates, etc.. oh yah, she doesn't like doing that as well and still gets infected.. umm.. tough.

Well Mrs Blah may need to find another computer bod to help her out. Windows comes with a firewall that is switched on by default. Most packages come with an anti-virus software installed anyway and I never could understand why Linux fans insist on spreading the myth, that Linux doesn't require security updates. It simply isn't true. Oh, and Windows updates don't actually need managing. They show up, they install. No biggie, even for Mrs Blah.

I tried a few Linux distros last year, but for me, the software for available just didn't match up to what I could get under Windows. They lacked functionality and that final bit of spit and polish. A year is a long time, and I'm sure things have changed, but since Vista has shown signs of life, it seems that the Linux community has closed ranks and will not allow any criticsm of their OS. I'm always a little nervous of products that cannot bear criticsm; they tend not to move forward. Perhaps that is why Linux hasn't managed to gain any significant desktop share, despite the Vista delays.

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RE[3]: vista jokes
by naelurec on Sat 9th Sep 2006 15:17 in reply to "RE[2]: vista jokes"
naelurec Member since:
2006-02-15

Windows comes with a firewall that is switched on by default.

It is a software firewall. I am talking hardware firewall. Standardized software firewalls run under Windows's security model (everyones an admin!!) is quite easy to disable.

Oh, and Windows updates don't actually need managing. They show up, they install. No biggie, even for Mrs Blah.

Everytime I check Secunia, it rates Windows XP Home (what Mrs. Blah would be running) as Highly critical and showing a high percentage of unpatched security vulnerabilities. Apparently those updates DON'T show up. Sites like eWeek confirm this. Compare this to Ubuntu Linux, Fedora or FreeBSD -- no unpatched security vulnerabilities.

software for available just didn't match up to what I could get under Windows

I agree. Windows has more applications. Fortunately there are solutions (VMWare,CrossOver Office,Wine) to run those legacy apps on Linux. Why compromise your entire system (according to Secunia) when you could run a more secure OS for *most* of your tasks and have a virtual machine for your legacy apps.

Perhaps that is why Linux hasn't managed to gain any significant desktop share

Actually it seems to be getting quite a lot of market share .. granted, I am talking % growth which is still quite small relative to market share percentage but it IS growing. We are talking about hundreds of millions of computers and large investments of time and money into the Windows platform to overcome.

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