Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 12th Sep 2006 17:05 UTC, submitted by Darkness
SkyOS USB support has been (re-)added to SkyOS, including of course the USB stack, a UHCI driver, support for control, interrupt, and bulk transfers, a USB HUB driver, a USB HID Keyboard driver, a USB HID Mouse driver, a USB Mass storage driver for CBI devices, including USB Harddisks, card readers, etc. The USB stack has been written from scratch and a new release containing USB support is expected.
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RE[2]: Finally...
by rabadash on Tue 12th Sep 2006 18:13 UTC
rabadash
Member since:
2006-09-12

Ummmm... I beg to differ. I have said network card and a live! sound card, yet of my four computers of various ages, none of them have supported chipsets. They aren't really unique either. I am paid beta tester, but I've never been able to actually run the beta despite all of my efforts. I'm getting a new(used) computer this weekend though that is listed as supported, so hopefuly all goes well.

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RE[3]: Finally...
by Tomasz Dominikowski on Tue 12th Sep 2006 18:18 in reply to "RE[2]: Finally..."
Tomasz Dominikowski Member since:
2005-08-08

Yet you don't report this in the Bug Tracker? How are we to improve SkyOS if you don't report problems?

We see this every time a beta build gets released.

"Oh bloody hell this and that still isn't fixed!"

Robert: "I don't know what are you talking about, no report in the bug tracker = no problem".

I hope you get the picture. You are a beta-tester...?

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RE[4]: Finally...
by smitty on Tue 12th Sep 2006 19:05 in reply to "RE[3]: Finally..."
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

Presumably SkyOS developers already know which chipsets it does and does not support.

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RE[4]: Finally...
by tdehoog on Tue 12th Sep 2006 20:51 in reply to "RE[3]: Finally..."
tdehoog Member since:
2006-03-21

I don't think you get my point... Due to the lack of USB-support I simply refused to test it (I even had to pay to test it!!!). Someone developping an OS and neglecting USB-support just doesn't understand the needs of the actual tester. They want to test the os properly. Is being forced to use antique ps/2 mice and keyboard a nice way to test an OS? I don't think so. Sure, I'm willing to test a new OS, and sure, I will see most bugs as a part of the development process an I'm willing to file those. However, if the main-developer (since there's only one...) waits this long for something vital as USB-support, he is making it really hard for his testers to give an objective report of their experiences. Since they can only use virtualization software to test it without having to put a lot of effort in it. Ever wondered why all the drivers for the VMWare hardware are already implemented?

Let me give you an example: I'm developping a new car. however: it only has train-wheels (ps/2), since these are easier to develop. So the testers of the car can only test it on a railroad. I know that normal car wheels (USB) are an important part of the car, but since I'm so busy implementing the in-car entertainment (openGL, QuakeIII anyone...?) these wheels can wait...

I know it sounds stupid, and I know I'm bashing a lot of SkyOS fanboys with this post. But I just want to give you my opinion on the SkyOS development roadmap: Put the effort on the right things. Things that make an OS an OS, and not just a nice development project from which the developper can learn a lot.

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RE[3]: Finally...
by Darkness on Tue 12th Sep 2006 19:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Finally..."
Darkness Member since:
2005-08-27

... none of them have supported chipsets ...
could you specify which chipsets those are? Usually Robert is eager to fix boot problems when provided with debuglogs or even pictures of the kernel debugger if that's not possible...
Bootproblems scare people away so he knows these should be fixed.

Once bootproblems like these are fixed for a user, this user can see himself as a worthy beta tester since he helped improving skyos

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