Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 14th Sep 2006 16:05 UTC, submitted by sogabe
Zeta IsComputerOn.com takes a first look at the ZETA's multiuser capabilities currently under development. This is "a first beta, usable but still incomplete and with bugs" reports ICO. The article uses screenshots to show what multiuser looks like in ZETA, and describes how to create user accounts, as well as some of the existing problems with the implementation which, hopefully, will be fixed before release. As Magnussoft told us a few days ago, multiuser support will be available as an update to the upcoming ZETA 1.21, but no release date is mentioned.
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BeOS?
by truckweb on Thu 14th Sep 2006 18:09 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

Who still use BeOS? As a full time OS?? Why???

Back when Apple was searching for a new OS, BeOS was indeed hot and cool to use. But that's in 1999... Welcome in 2006 and Zeta is nothing more than the old BeOS with better hardware support and a couple of new apps.

What's the killer app/feature in Zeta/BeOS?

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RE: BeOS?
by bogomipz on Thu 14th Sep 2006 18:19 in reply to "BeOS?"
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2005-07-11

What's the killer app/feature in Zeta/BeOS?

How about simplicity, elegance, consistency, extreme responsiveness, and BFS?

While other systems have caught up with BFS from a technical point of view, no other system actually makes use of extended attributes like BeOS/Zeta/Haiku. I especially find the use of attributes in e-mails and People files amazingly elegant. Then there's the translators for media files, which make all media apps automatically support new formats as they are added to the system.

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RE[2]: BeOS?
by MikeGA on Thu 14th Sep 2006 20:46 in reply to "RE: BeOS?"
MikeGA Member since:
2005-07-22

Well to be fair, in terms of video and audio codecs, Quicktime has done this for a long time.

But otherwise, yes, you're completely right, BeOS does still have a lot to offer today.

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RE: BeOS?
by TaterSalad on Thu 14th Sep 2006 18:34 in reply to "BeOS?"
TaterSalad Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't know if I will use it as a full time OS but I'm definintely looking forward to the day Haiku is released and I install it. Why? Because I like to keep my options open for other operating systems. One may do a job better than the others.

Killer app? BeOS was supposed to have killer multimedia support, I wouldn't know since I never had a chance to try it. What I'm sensing from you is that they shouldn't work on BeOS/Haiku/Zeta because its old. This is why they are revamping it. The problem is if someone doesn't do something new then we are pretty much stuck in the now instead of looking to the future. Although BeOS and any of its decendants may not have the killer app right now, who's to say it won't have the killer app in the future? It never hurts to try, which is what I believe these guys are doing.

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RE[2]: BeOS?
by tonestone57 on Thu 14th Sep 2006 20:48 in reply to "RE: BeOS?"
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2005-12-31

The issue is that some people believe that with 3 major OSes already (ie: Windows, Linux/BSD, & OS X) that why bother with another OS? And that BeOS had its day back in 2000 & won't gain popularity. Which I strongly disagree with.

I've used BeOS 5.0 & ZETA 1.2

I know what this OS is capable of. And can say, that when Haiku is finished, that BeOS will start to get noticed & take off. It simply is a fantastic OS.

I'm certain that, anyone who tries it out for 3 to 6 months would also find it to be good & get addicted to using it.

What is the killer app? Well, this is the same for all OSes and the answer is (not in any order): #1 3D Games, #2 3D Design, #3 Video (or Audio) conversions, #4 Compiling/Linking #5 Data Encryption, etc.

It isn't about killer applications, it is about making an OS you enjoy to use. Sure, there are users out there that love Linux or Windows or ? And no one is saying you have to use or like BeOS, but there will be users that enjoy using BeOS based OSes beyond any other (for a reason).

Also, BeOS was made for multimedia & with speed on its side, with multithreading (better utilization of processors - wait till you see what it can do with Quad cores), better memory use - because it isn't bloated (like some other OSes), was originally developed for Pentium processors (not like Linux with most distros trying to support 386s still & Windows), it is all integrated (ie: not like Linux where Xwindows is made by one organization, Linux kernel by another, etc.), it was very well designed (& inspired certain concepts in other small, new OSes).

Also, Joe Average doesn't use killer applications. Most people web browse, email, listen to mp3s, watch divx movies and use Office suite. If these can be done in an easy & fun way then this user will be happy.

If you are happy with your favorite OS, then stick with it. BeOS won't be for everybody (ie: those who really love their OS are unlikely to switch to BeOS & those that feel So-So about their current OS are likely to try it out - maybe they switch, or maybe they don't).

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RE: BeOS?
by n0xx on Thu 14th Sep 2006 20:35 in reply to "BeOS?"
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2005-07-12

Who still use BeOS? As a full time OS?? Why???

Well, you can play games, edit and print documents, surf the web, chat using IRC or IM, watch dvd's, DivX, XviD... listen to you favorite tunes... the os boots in less than 10 seconds in a PII 300 and is still, after all this years, what every other OS have to measure up to in terms off speed/responsiveness.

Welcome in 2006 and Zeta is nothing more than the old BeOS with better hardware support and a couple of new apps.

Yes, so is Windows XP compared to Windows 2000. And after all the dropped features, theres is little more to Vista than a Windows XP with a couple of new apps.


What's the killer app/feature in Zeta/BeOS?

Real time SQL queries, supported by the file system itself, not by the means of some Indexing Service/SQL Service/Deamon mumbo jumbo. When you have 150 GB of mp3, pictures, a few pdfs and documents, it matters. You could also consider a killer feature the ability to bring new life to the older machines.

Bottom line, there's still a place for zeta.

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RE: BeOS?
by StephenBeDoper on Thu 14th Sep 2006 23:42 in reply to "BeOS?"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

I still use it as my primary OS at home/work (I mostly work from home). I mostly do hosting setup and support, so the majority of my day is spent writing, reading, and replying to EMail. I'd go nuts if I had to use something other than BeMail / mail_daemon again, mostly because I depend so heavily on queries these days (E.g., an always open query for files of type text/email where the status attribute contains "New", and a handful of query templates I've setup so I can quickly search mail by sender, recipient, subject, date, etc).

I'm an obsessive multi-tasker and I've found that, with most OSes, the interface for switching tasks starts to become unweildy once I have about a dozen programs / documents open simultaneously. I find that I can have a lot more going on in BeOS before it starts to become awkward to find a specific window/task. That's largely thanks to Workspaces, they've freed me from the PITA of constantly hiding/unhiding windows, shuffling them around, etc. I make a habit of keeping specific apps/types of documents in specific workspaces and rather than switching between windows, I just switch between workspaes. For me, at least, a dozen workspaces with 2-3 windows each is a lot more manageable than a single workspace with 2-3 dozen windows.

Another reason is that BeOS software tends to be on the minimalist side, and a result is that I've found many basic tasks are less hassle in BeOS that other OSes I've used. The flipside is that sometimes I need to use Windows to E.g. use Filezilla for something I can't do with NetPenguin - but a $40 KVM switch and a second cheap box to run XP has been a pretty workable solution.

I periodically try out the latest Linux live CDs and while there's certainly been worlds of progress since I first tried RH 5.1 back in '99, I still find that many applications/desktop environments have a rather "fragile" feeling to them. Sort of like a brand new house that looks nice, but there's a tendency for the roof to fall off if you slam the front door too hard. The popular desktops and applications available for *nix are undeniably more featureful than their typical counterparts on BeOS, but I find that BeOS and its applications typically feel more solid/mature. I think that's one of the most positive aspects of BeOS, that
the engineers at Be took the time and effort to make damn sure that the basic functionality worked properly before moving onto more interesting territory.

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RE: BeOS?
by sbergman27 on Sat 16th Sep 2006 02:34 in reply to "BeOS?"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

How 'bout "why should people who prefer BeOS derivatives have to defend their choice"?

Not that they seem to have any problem stepping up to the plate, anyway. ;-)

What a sorry, boring site this would be if everyone based their decisions upon what was the most popular.

Yeah, I'll agree that BeOS is not as cutting edge as it once was.

But other OSes still have a thing or two to learn from it.

I'm a Linux guy. But I appreciate the devotion of our BeOS brothers.

I only wish that the majority of them could reign in that minority who seem to want to attack X at every opportunity! ;-) Not that the Linux community doesn't have an embarrassing minority of its own!

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