Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 19th Sep 2006 15:07 UTC, submitted by SEJeff
X11, Window Managers Just when you thought fancy effects on Linux desktops started to get remotely understandable, focussing on Aiglx/Xgl with Compiz, a fork of Compiz is announced: Beryl. This is the logical continuation of the popular compiz-quinnstorm branch, used by many Ubuntu users. "During this summer, and during the last few weeks, some major additions were done in compiz-quinnstorm, bringing a whole new decorator, cgwd, which was designed to be fully themable, and a new settings backend, csm, which intended to drop most of the gnome deps - there were other reasons for this, but this is not our current subject. Consequently, we reached a situation where it's quite impossible to come back." The main reason is general unwillingness to work with and unresponsiveness to the developers of the -quinnstorm branch from the official Compiz guys.
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Stick with it!
by Hamman on Tue 19th Sep 2006 15:27 UTC
Hamman
Member since:
2006-01-02

Seriously, you Linux-fans can complain all you want about evil companies not providing drivers and MS controlling the world, but until you stop changing things every two weeks, Desktop Linux will be a toy for geeks. We all want the best solution, but sometimes it's a compromise. Now Red Hat will use AIGLX, Novell XGL and all geeks (presumably)Beryl. Good luck gaining support from hardware companies there...

Edited 2006-09-19 15:28

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RE: Stick with it!
by tophfisher on Tue 19th Sep 2006 15:35 in reply to "Stick with it!"
tophfisher Member since:
2006-04-07

Hamman -

Did you even read the post? If you read it, I think its a good move.

This is how great software is made, it takes time (so does the MS way I suppose) but what you have in the end are very stable and solid product.

Take Apache, MySQL, Gnome, FireFox, Samba, and many other OSS project that may have forked a very long time ago, but after a while, the best project is left standing. The users are better for it in the long run.

Edited 2006-09-19 15:37

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RE[2]: Stick with it!
by yanik on Tue 19th Sep 2006 15:38 in reply to "RE: Stick with it!"
yanik Member since:
2005-07-13

of course it's a good move, if the compiz guyz aren't cutting it, others will take the job. In the end one or two standard will rule them all.

It's a good thing for users.

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v RE[2]: Stick with it!
by vegai on Tue 19th Sep 2006 15:43 in reply to "RE: Stick with it!"
RE: Stick with it!
by Ford Prefect on Tue 19th Sep 2006 15:40 in reply to "Stick with it!"
Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16

What a bullshit post.

If it's compiz or Beryl or whatever, it doesn't matter to hardware manufacturers in any way. There are at least two layers between compiz and the hardware driver.

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RE: Stick with it!
by miscz on Tue 19th Sep 2006 15:45 in reply to "Stick with it!"
miscz Member since:
2005-07-17

AIGLX and XGL are on way to be merged and Compiz and Beryl are just a kind of window managers, nobody complains that we have kwin, metacity, *boxes etc etc.

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RE[2]: Stick with it!
by korpenkraxar on Tue 19th Sep 2006 23:16 in reply to "RE: Stick with it!"
korpenkraxar Member since:
2005-09-10

nobody complains that we have kwin, metacity, *boxes etc etc.

Yes, all these freakin' save-[Joe Sixpack][my grandmother]-the-headache-of-learning-new-in-five-minutes usability zealots... sorry, I meant Ubuntu users. :-p

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RE: Stick with it!
by angryrobot on Tue 19th Sep 2006 18:05 in reply to "Stick with it!"
angryrobot Member since:
2006-04-26

Um...you should know that this has nothing at all to do with hardware companies or drivers. It's a compositing framework that sits over the hardware interface layer.

Also, I'd suggest not starting off a comment with something like: "Seriously, you Linux-fans can complain all you want about evil companies not providing drivers and MS controlling the world...". It makes you seem like a Windows troll or something.

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RE[2]: Stick with it!
by Hamman on Wed 20th Sep 2006 12:05 in reply to "RE: Stick with it!"
Hamman Member since:
2006-01-02

Make that software companies(typo, sorry). ISV's are gonna look at Linux and say "so you've got two [whatever XGL and AIGLX should be called], two desktop enviroments, two toolkits and two compositing managers. And that's with a marketshare of a few tens of a percent(or whatever it is now). Yeah, great platform..."

If speaking the truth mens coming through as a windows troll, I'm prepared to pay that price.

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RE: Stick with it!
by AdamW on Tue 19th Sep 2006 18:24 in reply to "Stick with it!"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

Beryl is not an alternative to Xgl or AIGLX. Xgl and AIGLX are the technologies which implement the features necessary to do whizzy 3D desktop effects. *In themselves*, they don't do any whizzy 3D desktop effects. The component which actually does the whizzy 3D desktop effects is the window manager. There are several window managers capable of doing whizzy 3D desktop effects. compiz is one of them. beryl is a fork of compiz. Clear now?

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v RE: Stick with it!
by eggman on Tue 19th Sep 2006 18:33 in reply to "Stick with it!"
RE: Stick with it!
by SpasmaticSeacow on Tue 19th Sep 2006 20:23 in reply to "Stick with it!"
SpasmaticSeacow Member since:
2006-02-17

For what it's worth, the 3D desktop extensions all operate on top of GL. The hardware manufacturers have nothing to support but GL. And for that matter, the different setups are equally as irrelevant to software developers save for the ones writing effects plugins for the desktop.

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