Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Sep 2006 15:15 UTC
Mac OS X Apparantly, it's damn lies statistics time again in the Apple world, boys and girls. A few days ago, Net Applications published OS market share figures which showed that the market share of the Mac OS remained largely flat over the past year. However, today, the Switchtoamac website posted an article which looks at the same set of figures in a different way, only to conclude that when you compare last year's figures to this year's, the Mac OS has risen 25% in marketshare. We all know the saying: there are lies... Damn lies... Funny detail: while the debate rages on about half percentage points for the Mac OS, Windows XP increased its share by 8 percent the past 12 months. According to these figures, of course.
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The monopoly continues
by proftv on Thu 21st Sep 2006 15:51 UTC
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2006-01-01

A combined Windows market share of 95.11%, sounds like a monopoly to me. The DOJ sure is blowing that one. At least the EU is stepping up to the plate. Will we ever have real competition again?

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RE: The monopoly continues
by Harald on Thu 21st Sep 2006 16:16 in reply to "The monopoly continues"
Harald Member since:
2006-03-10

A combined Windows market share of 95.11%, sounds like a monopoly to me. The DOJ sure is blowing that one. At least the EU is stepping up to the plate. Will we ever have real competition again?

The question of ever getting real competition again should be decided by the marketplace and innovation...not by politicians.

Relying on politicians is why the monopoly conitnues.

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RE[2]: The monopoly continues
by twenex on Thu 21st Sep 2006 16:29 in reply to "RE: The monopoly continues"
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2006-04-21

The marketplace has already decided...People will go for an overhyped, overdue, overcomplicated system at the expense of decent software, because the decent software is either not marketed, or marketed poorly, whilst the poor software gets all the backing because the company behind it is unscrupulous.

MS's problems are due to non-compliance with the law.

Edited 2006-09-21 16:47

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RE[2]: The monopoly continues
by ma_d on Thu 21st Sep 2006 17:13 in reply to "RE: The monopoly continues"
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2005-06-29

The DoJ is supposed to be judicial and not legislative: It's not supposed to be bound to politics. Although, the unfortunate appointment mechanism has made it political.

Anyway, they don't regulate success, they regulate anti-competitive behaviour. Having a 100% market share is a tell-tale sign of anti-competitive behaviour, but it's not anti-competitive in and of itself: You've got to figure out why they run the market. Are they just that great, or are they stepping on their fledgling competition.
This is why the EU goes after things like Windows Media player, and not just the prevalence of Windows itself.

In the words of everyone under 30: It's not the market share that counts, it's how you use it.

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RE[2]: The monopoly continues
by ronaldst on Thu 21st Sep 2006 17:37 in reply to "RE: The monopoly continues"
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2005-06-29

And relying on politicians they will. http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/93590/93590.html

The circus must go on!

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RE[2]: The monopoly continues
by proftv on Thu 21st Sep 2006 17:39 in reply to "RE: The monopoly continues"
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2006-01-01

"The question of ever getting real competition again should be decided by the marketplace and innovation...not by politicians."

I think you may need to do a little more research into the the history of monopoly and it's detriment on innovation. I'm all for the free market but it is not perfect in of itself. It is governed by laws to protect the consumer and businesses alike from unfair and anticompetitive business practices which eventually lead to monopoly. Microsoft is guilty of these practices and have been ruled many times to be a monopoly. They don't sustain dominance through innovation, they sustain it through monopoly. The best way to break that cycle is to hold them to the law. Too bad our corrupt government can't do that anymore.

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RE[2]: The monopoly continues
by nalf38 on Thu 21st Sep 2006 19:48 in reply to "RE: The monopoly continues"
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2006-09-01

"The question of ever getting real competition again should be decided by the marketplace and innovation...not by politicians."

Big disagreement on that one. For one, marketplace and innovation do not necessarily go hand in hand. Second, history tells us the exact opposite. Without monopoly busting by the government, we'd still be buying crappy phone service from Ma Bell along with their overpriced long-distance service. There would be no MCI, Sprint, or any other long-distance company you can think of.

We'd be paying even more for gasoline than we do today (US vs. Standard Oil), and price fixing between competitors would be legal.

Regulating monopolies might have pitfalls, but laissez-faire capitalism isn't the answer. Advocating the complete absence of legislation in favor of laissez-faire relies on the same assumption that Communism did---that everyone is as high-minded and morally incorruptible as you are, and that is never ever the case. The best products don't always prevail under that system, if the company with the largest marketshare can successfully force everyone to buy their inferior product by OEM deals and taking a loss on pricing to increase marketshare.

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RE: The monopoly continues
by ronaldst on Thu 21st Sep 2006 16:20 in reply to "The monopoly continues"
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2005-06-29

IBM is restarting OS/2? Apple is going to license OSX to OEMs?

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RE[2]: The monopoly continues
by s_groening on Thu 21st Sep 2006 16:33 in reply to "RE: The monopoly continues"
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2005-12-13

Actually, I'd like to see both.. I'd like to see Apple recognizing that because I bought an iBook and a Powerbook doesn't mean I wouldn't like to run Mac OS X on a 3rd party desktop...

I've loved OS/2 for years but people don't seem to get it, so It's being discontinued and all I'm left with, arguably, is Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, NetBDSD, OpenBSD the latter of which aren't necessarily very suited for desktop usage... i'd like for a strong commercial altenative to Windows... Not because I dislike it but rather since I'd like for others like me to have viable alternatives.... Linux isn't the only one... We need all the fire power we can get ;)

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RE: The monopoly continues
by ACarlow on Thu 21st Sep 2006 17:48 in reply to "The monopoly continues"
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2005-10-18

In the US it is NOT illegal to be a monopoly. It IS illegal to use your monopoly to compete unfairly in the marketplace, however. In a free economy where competition is not stifled and innovation is fostered, it is almost impossible to maintain a monopoly. The key thing to do is not to prevent monopolies or "break them up" as was done to AT&T but to punish them very very severely (in the case of MS that would require Billions of $US) when they illegaly squash competition.

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