Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Sep 2006 21:38 UTC
Microsoft Two US software firms are asking the European Commission to take action against Microsoft's new Vista operating system, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday. Adobe Systems has told EU regulators that Microsoft should be banned from incorporating free competing software for reading and creating electronic documents with Vista, the paper said, quoting people familiar with the situation. Anti-virus software maker Symantec will send officials to Brussels next week to brief journalists about features of Vista that it has told EU regulators will undercut rival makers of computer security software, the paper said.
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Ookaze
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2005-11-14

So if linux ditros had 90% of the market do you think it could be applied to them?

No, because like you said, these would be Linux distroS, so several companies competing in a free market. Which is nothing like one company with a monopoly.

However, I believe that since the OS is property of MicroSoft, it can do whatever it wants with it: including or not, allowing or not, embracing, extend, and lock in (or not)

Of course. Now, once they distribute it to others people in a market, that's another story.
You can do what you want to your car, even include some space rockets on it, and lights that blind everything 1 mile around. You just can go out on the street with it.
There are laws you know, and they are annoying only to evil people most of the time (except when evil people make the laws of course).

... that shit of monopoly in the OS are bullshit (monopoly from MS is with OEMs)

You think that because you're very young into computing. MS has already destroyed lots of better companies with better products, and the trend is not stopping.
I'd love to see MS go free with their monopoly, so that people take so much abuse they finally realise the problem.
Meanwhile, I just laugh at all these companies being destroyed one after another. After all, they helped MS maintain the statu quo. Especially Adobe or antivirus companies, I have just no sympathy for them.

In the end, if the user is not happy with MS tools and systems, it can choose from many other vendors like Novell, RedHat, Apple or even using community tools...

You realise this choice is not an easy one ? No you don't. And that's all because of MS and its monopoly.

Anyone points a gun to your head and say: USE MICROSOFT!?!?

Do you mean if nobody points a gun to your head, it's easy to go away from MS ? What are you smoking ?

If you use it, you must know that it's MICROSOFT SYSTEM and if the software publishers and developers don't like their way they can always develop to other systems!
It's THEIR SYSTEM... if you don't like it DON'T USE IT!


You're not smoking, you're just plain stupid. The problem here is that these businesses are based on Windows. Antivirus companies have no future outside of Windows, which is the only crappy OS needing them. Same for Adobe, that's their largest market share (or so it seems).
MS can make apps for its OS, but when they include them in their OS (thus dumping the others), if you don't realise there's a problem, I can't help you.

No problem for me really, they dug their own grave, and I'm enjoying the show of MS only companies going under one after the other, since 2001. Good riddance.
I hope MS succeed, so I can see the Photoshop fanboys turning against the Windows fanboys, which should be really amusing, especially since most of the time, they are one and the same.

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Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

You think that because you're very young into computing. MS has already destroyed lots of better companies with better products, and the trend is not stopping.

I was thinking the same thing. Some people posting on this are either very young and don't know what the anti-trust trial was about, or they just misunderstood the whole thing.

I don't expect MS to stop turning out products in different markets since they are a software company after all. They just have to play nicer then they did in the past.

You realise this choice is not an easy one ? No you don't. And that's all because of MS and its monopoly.

It's not because of a monopoly. It's because no one has challenged them on key features. Apple could challenge on the desktop, but they're happy with their hardware and ten percent. Linux might be able to challenge in linking desktops, but Active Directory, Exchange, and dime a dozen MCSEs are MS's aces. It's all about the feature set.

Adobe is just worried about getting their monopoly challenged. Nothing to cry about there.

Edited 2006-09-22 19:16

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jcpinto Member since:
2006-08-30

You can do what you want to your car, even include some space rockets on it, and lights that blind everything 1 mile around. You just can go out on the street with it.
There are laws you know, and they are annoying only to evil people most of the time (except when evil people make the laws of course).


Maybe because cars ARE NOT OSs. In the day I have to take a license to use my PC, I'll accept your analogy ;)

You think that because you're very young into computing.

I just think that, because good engineered software should be independent of platform!

MS has already destroyed lots of better companies with better products, and the trend is not stopping.
I'd love to see MS go free with their monopoly, so that people take so much abuse they finally realise the problem.


That's my point... I think we all know that MS had killed many companies. Many of them in an anti-trusted way.

Meanwhile, I just laugh at all these companies being destroyed one after another. After all, they helped MS maintain the statu quo. Especially Adobe or antivirus companies, I have just no sympathy for them.

Exactly... that companies put themselfs in that position when they decided to be developers of only one OS which is proprietary and they can't control.

You realise this choice is not an easy one ? No you don't. And that's all because of MS and its monopoly.

While it certanly poses its difficults the hardest in any migration are legacy/vertical apps (and it's data). Obviously, Microsoft tries to lock in it's users, but that's not the main difficult in a migration.
Neverless, as any "not so young" into computing should know, almost any data could be migrated in computing. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homomorphism)

You're not smoking, you're just plain stupid.

Well... we can't all be smart asses!

The problem here is that these businesses are based on Windows. Antivirus companies have no future outside of Windows, which is the only crappy OS needing them. Same for Adobe, that's their largest market share (or so it seems).
MS can make apps for its OS, but when they include them in their OS (thus dumping the others), if you don't realise there's a problem, I can't help you.


If antivirus companies have no future outside of Windows then they only exist because of Windows. In a Free Market, if I only depend on a "resource" to "produce" something, if that resource ever cease to exist, I'll be extincted.

Should I conclude by your sentence that Microsoft should never distribute Secure/More Functional OSs per default just because that could lead to extinction of some Software Developers?

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