Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 28th Sep 2006 15:36 UTC, submitted by Moulinneuf
GNU, GPL, Open Source Friday Several kernel developers issued a position paper criticizing the GPLv3 drafts. That prompted Software Freedom Law Center chairman Eben Moglen to issue a 'renewed invitation' yesterday to kernel developers to participate in the GPLv3 process. Linus Torvalds responded to Moglen's statement by saying that his position on the license is clear and that he's "fed up" with the FSF.
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RE: Does it matter?
by davegetrag on Thu 28th Sep 2006 17:15 UTC in reply to "Does it matter?"
davegetrag
Member since:
2006-03-31

He cant. He has said so. So why does he keep commenting about it and talking about it. Who is forcing this issue on him? Who is ramming V3 down his throat? He has already proved it is impossible. It won't happen. It can't happen. Why does he feel the need to keep talking trash about it since it won't apply to him at all? Ask yourself that...

Why does he feel the need to complain about something that is a non-issue for him? Why does he keep on and on...

Is it just tomake RMS look bad, to fracture and splinter the community more, to make sure he wins finally wins the torvalds/stallman battle?

Is it all that?

Is it so that RMS will finally sit down with him and work it out so they can fork that sucker. PLEASE GOD SAY YES! Won't we allbe happy when the FSF has their v3 kernel and OSI has theirs under the LPL? Yes YEs I think we will....

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RE[2]: Does it matter?
by tomcat on Thu 28th Sep 2006 20:18 in reply to "RE: Does it matter?"
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2006-01-06

He cant. He has said so. So why does he keep commenting about it and talking about it. Who is forcing this issue on him? Who is ramming V3 down his throat? He has already proved it is impossible. It won't happen. It can't happen. Why does he feel the need to keep talking trash about it since it won't apply to him at all? Ask yourself that...

Because Linus obviously has an interest in promoting open source development and feels strongly that GPLv3 is a hindrance to that goal, for the reasons specified in the paper. The guy has a right to his opinion, which is wholly independent of whether the Linux kernel can be reissued under GPLv3. Linking the two is your contrivance, not his.

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RE[2]: Does it matter?
by raboof on Thu 28th Sep 2006 20:56 in reply to "RE: Does it matter?"
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2005-07-24

why does he keep commenting about it and talking about it. Why does he feel the need to keep talking trash about it since it won't apply to him at all? Ask yourself that...

Why does he feel the need to complain about something that is a non-issue for him? Why does he keep on and on...


Quite simply: because he was asked to. Indirectly by the FSF (but he didn't react because he felt he had already made his point), and directly by the guy who wrote the article.

Reading how the FSF makes it sound like they're doing the kernel developers a huge favour by asking them about their opinions, after mostly ignoring the issues that were actually raised in the position paper, I can see how that can be frustrating for the kernel developers.

I don't see a "torvalds/stallman battle" here, and afaik neither party is interested in forking (assuming that is at all possible, which is doubtful).

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RE[2]: Does it matter?
by ronaldst on Thu 28th Sep 2006 21:37 in reply to "RE: Does it matter?"
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2005-06-29

The Linux kernel is the most popular GPL software out there in the wild. It's the FSF's flagship product. Before Linux, the FSF was pretty much unknown. You can can safely bet the FSF will try to force Linus into making Linux adhere to the GPL3 license. If Linus won't do it then they'll go thru the other kernel devs.

Politics/<people's ideals always interfere where it's not needed. Just like in real life(TM).

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RE[3]: Does it matter?
by gpierce on Fri 29th Sep 2006 03:02 in reply to "RE[2]: Does it matter?"
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2005-07-07

"Politics/<people's ideals always interfere where it's not needed. Just like in real life(TM)."

Fortunately the world has both pragmatists and idealists. "TIVOization" , if it happens with PCs, may not be trivial to circumvent. I am concerned that you may have to build your own computer, which for me and many others would be problematic, just to be able to run free software. The demand for open computing platforms may not be such that enough manufacturers will care to provide them. At any rate Stallman and Torvalds are both accomplished programmers and their opinions should be respected.

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