Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 12th Oct 2006 22:49 UTC, submitted by Peter Howkins
Window Managers In an attempt to convince The Open Group that they finally want to fully Open Source Motif and CDE Peter Howkins has started a petition to help gauge how much interest there is. CDE, the Common Desktop Enviroment, was the default desktop on several commercial UNIX distributions. Motif is a X Windows widget API used in many programs, including CDE and other projects such as nedit and DDD. Howkins is not going to try to convince anyone to use either of them, but if you use them and would like to see them Open Sourced please sign the petition. For more background information about CDE and this petition visit the petition site or go straight to signing the petition.
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RE[3]: why CDE
by nxsty on Fri 13th Oct 2006 08:13 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: why CDE"
nxsty
Member since:
2005-11-12

You´re joking right?

Yes, why would we need GNOME or KDE when we have CDE, a UI that is on par with (but still looks worse than) windows 3.11.

Windows 3.11
http://www.rdg.ac.uk/CSC/Pics/Windows/prog_man.gif
CDE:
http://www.nada.kth.se/handledning/handledare4/img/desktop-cde.png

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RE[4]: why CDE
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 13th Oct 2006 08:21 in reply to "RE[3]: why CDE"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

CDE is the BEST desktop environment when it comes to consistency, both graphically and behaviourally.

ANY other DE can learn a great deal from CDE, because next to CDE, every other modern DE, be it Finder, Explorer, GNOME, or whatever, is an unpredictable incoherent mess.

UI design is about more than flashy graphics. It saddens me to see that current-day computer users are too shortsighted to look beyond the external appearance.

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RE[5]: why CDE
by kaiwai on Fri 13th Oct 2006 08:45 in reply to "RE[4]: why CDE"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

True, true; at least with Motif applications; sure, they weren't flashy, they didn't set the world alight in terms of eye candy, but they did, however, integrate well with the desktop environment, and were consistent - a Motif application, regardless of vendor, worked as a Motif application expected.

The Application Manager, file manager, the whole kit 'n caboodle is easy to understand and navigate, my old man was able to sit down and start using Sun's Solaris CDE without any need of learning a thing, the icons were self explanatory, the system configuration features were straight to the point.

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sorry, cannot agree with you
by gustl on Fri 13th Oct 2006 09:40 in reply to "RE[4]: why CDE"
gustl Member since:
2006-01-19

I had to work on a CDE desktop for 3 years.

As far as I am concerned CDE is:
- not providing the functionality I need
- wasting TWO (!) iconhights of my precious desktop space
- cannot be configured to provide the functionality I need and wasting less space.
- When I maximize a window, the CDE Panel hides part of the maximized window.

I never found out if this behaviour can be changed or not, although searching for several hours on the web.

To me, CDE is the tightjacket version of a Desktop. Sorry, but that was exactly how it felt.
Maybe they have good and consistent HIGs and stuff, but what they offer the user is too inflexible. I had loads of buttons in my panel which I never needed, and loads of stuff I would have liked there was not available.

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RE[4]: why CDE
by kaiwai on Fri 13th Oct 2006 08:41 in reply to "RE[3]: why CDE"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

And what is so difficult to navigate about that CDE design? the CDE way is alot more intuitive than what Microsoft, or the opensource community could achieve.

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RE[5]: why CDE
by gustl on Fri 13th Oct 2006 09:54 in reply to "RE[4]: why CDE"
gustl Member since:
2006-01-19

CDE is not difficult to navigate.
It is difficult or impossible to customize, and the default settings are stupid for me, politely said.

- The desktop switching panel is 2 rows high, and cannot be made to be only one row high.

- When maximizing a Window it either hides the desktop switching panel, or the desktop switching panel hides a rather large part of the maximized Window. This behaviour made the maximize button on the window corner unnecessary for me, I could not use it.

- The desktop switching panel is not as broad as the whole screen, so that when I enlarge an application window to be its maximum size without colliding with the desktop switchin panel, there is always unused space in the bottom corners.

- The desktop switching panel has no task bar. I need a task bar.

- That all resulted in having to use many more mouseclicks and drags than in any desktop I ever used before, with the notable exception of Windows 3.x

All of above mentioned annoying behaviour cannot be changed, at least not for the version I was using (2001).

Both KDE and GNOME can be customized to look and feel like CDE, or Windows, or OSX or, or, or. That is why CDE sucks for all users who do not think like CDE programmers and CDE HIG writers. So mybe for a small amount of people CDE is the best Desktop ever, but the vast majority will bring up exactly the points I mentioned.

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