Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Oct 2006 14:14 UTC
Windows Microsoft has revealed a general release date for its upcoming operating system Vista - 5 December, 2006. Speaking to IT professionals, parliamentarians and senior law-enforcement officers at the Parliament and Internet conference in London on Thursday, Microsoft revealed its release plans. "We will officially launch Vista, Microsoft Office 2007 and Exchange 2007 on 5 December," said David Hipwell, a Windows client sales professional at Microsoft. On a very, very related note, the EC says that Vista will not be delayed due to regulatory issues. Also, the Shell: Revealed weblog has an item explaining why Aero Basic looks the way it looks. Update: ZDNet has removed the release date story, and since they are being rude by not offering an explanation, I have no idea what is going on.
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And once again...
by Kitty on Fri 13th Oct 2006 17:46 UTC
Kitty
Member since:
2005-10-01

I loved this:

Q:
So how does Office maintain glass while also drawing over the glass, e.g. titlebar text and the round Office button? And even arbitrary buttons in their quick access toolbar?
...
A:
Office completely removes the non-client area, and renders everything in its client area, so it doesn't have a caption (except a fake one).
Notice how the glow and the text are different, it's because they're not rendered by the DWM.


The ancient tradition of having a nominally standard GUI, but their own major application suite doing things its own way lives on! ;) It's like an old joke that never tires me.

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RE: And once again...
by MollyC on Fri 13th Oct 2006 20:49 in reply to "And once again..."
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

That's a *good* thing.
Office does whatever it wants, and the Windows team follows.

Generally, Office implements their UI, ignoring Windows "guidelines", then widgets based on Office UI make their way to 3rd party dev tools and Visual Studio, and eventually those become standard widgets in Windows. For example, that's what happened with Office97's command bars (allowed for detachable menus, "flat" toolbars, and whatnot). Office hasn't used standard menus for years (since Office97).

There's already 3rd pary libraries implementing the Office 2007 "Ribbon" (well, they're *trying* to, anyway). I'm sure the Ribbon will become a standard Windows widget in the future.

As for Office 2007 removing the nonclient area and rolling their own, more power to 'em! They know more about UI than the Windows team does. Other apps can roll their own UI as well, but most don't have the talent and/or will to do so.

We'll see more of this with WPF; it seems to encourage "non-standard" UI; basically standards go out the window. This will lead to garish UIs at the beginning before things settle down (like what happened when VB 1.0 was released).

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RE[2]: And once again...
by Kroc on Fri 13th Oct 2006 21:46 in reply to "RE: And once again..."
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Office XP has the nicest menus I've ever seen in any app. How I wish Microsoft would just implement that style system-wide. They made them suck in 2003, with light-orange on light-blue. What was that about!?

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