Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 15th Oct 2006 21:52 UTC, submitted by Matthew Yohnovich
Slackware, Slax "Zenwalk 3 is an operating system based on Patrick Volkerding's Slackware GNU/Linux distribution, version 10.2. The entire operating system fits on a single CD, and stays true to what the author calls the 'Zen philosophy'. This philosophy, as it has been coined, refers to Zenwalk's policy of including one application per task. I've had a few problems with Slackware and Slackware-related systems in the past, but Zenwalk has alleviated all of my stress regarding those issues. Here's why."
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Linux between purity and utilitarianism
by nedvis on Mon 16th Oct 2006 02:46 UTC
nedvis
Member since:
2006-01-02

It seems to be a trend in Linux world: offshots, forked or remastered distributions tends to be better than their origins ( source distros), whatever the word better should stand for.
You know what I mean : Ubuntu is better than Debian,
PSLinuxOS is bettern than Mandriva as PSBSD is better than FreeBSD (just to mention Unix ) etc.
And Zenwalk Linux is not an exception in that regards.
Although I really like Partick Wolkerding's great dedication to Linux (I've just installed his Slackware 10.0 on Pentium I 166 MHz Intel 440VX board based PC where other most recent Linux distribution wont even boot) I'd rather install Zenwalk 3 on my machines than original Slackware 10.2. Or another Slackware based VectorLinux.
If I have to choose between purity, strictness and austerity of parental distributions ( Debian, RedHat, Slackware) and usability and utilitarianism found in child distributions ( Ubuntu, Xabdros, Fedora, PSLinuxOS, Zenwalk, Slax ) I would always go for latter ones.
It's not that I like those eclectic bastards just because they're breaking rules. I simply have a feeling that they all have more things to offer to modern computer users than their rigid parents .
It's sort of like illegitimate child is more up to the challenge than its "big daddy" which is something I always liked in Linux.
And that's where I see the core of what makes the progress going on not only in Linux and Open Source movement: infinite fighting with new calls.
If only parents could learn from their kids!
nedvis

Edited 2006-10-16 03:05

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cerbie Member since:
2006-01-02

But, it's that rigidity and lacking stuff you may find useful that makes the parents worth building from.

In many cases, the children are not better--you just read more about the better ones, and are clearly interested in a desktop. If I were to set up a small FW, I'd look into customized Linux distros (Smoothwall, IPCop), Slackware, and OpenBSD. Forget the pretty derivatives. All the added features can mean more time trying to get something that should have been simple to work. I've also had this experience with Ubuntu a few times with desktop stuff.

Sure, the parent distros could learn...but they don't, and shouldn't. If Slackware were to take up much of what makes Zenwalk good (I've not tried 3.0, but 2.4, 2.6, and 2.8 were nice), then Slackware wouldn't be as good at what you might use it for as-is; and it wouldn't be as good as a distro to build from, since one of the cool things going for it in both aspects is simplicity and flexibility through minimalism.

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korpenkraxar Member since:
2005-09-10

It's not that I like those eclectic bastards just because they're breaking rules. I simply have a feeling that they all have more things to offer to modern computer users than their rigid parents.

Hmm, and here I was thinking the opposite. That Debian is the more flexible universal distro, whereas Ubuntu is the more streamlined, defined and rigid desktop distro...

To me it seems more like the parent distro is often the general distro, and the daughter is derived and specialized - so if you need an os for a specific task, chances are that you will find the latter by default more tuned to your needs.

Debian->Knoppix->ClusterKnoppix->Quantian

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B. Janssen Member since:
2006-10-11

Posted by korpenkraxar: Hmm, and here I was thinking the opposite. That Debian is the more flexible universal distro, whereas Ubuntu is the more streamlined, defined and rigid desktop distro...

Funny, my thoughts exactly. Take a thumbs-up... ;-)

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Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

There is no "better than", I don't see anything better for example in DesktopBSD or PC BSD against FreeBSD. The latter is the best, but DesktopBSD/PCBSD offer some flavour to choose from. Easy/hard to maintain, better than ..., all of these buzz-phrases are maybe right in "your" context but not in common.

> If only parents could learn from their kids!

Sometimes it is useful, sometimes it is crap.

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