Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 26th Oct 2006 16:21 UTC, submitted by thebluesgnr
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu The Ubuntu team announced the release of Ubuntu 6.10, codenamed 'Edgy Eft'. Highlights for the desktop include GNOME 2.16, Firefox 2.0, OpenOffice.org 2.0.4, Gaim 2.0 and two new applications, F-Spot and Tomboy. This release also features a pre-release of the upcoming LTSP-5, as well as the usual updates of the base system, with GCC 4.1.1, Glibc 2.4 and Linux 2.6.17. There's a screenshot tour already, while Mark Shuttleworth commented on the news concerning Oracle and Linux. Update: The first review in what will probably become a long list. Update II: Kubuntu 6.10 is released as well.
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RE[3]: non-free software
by aquila_deus on Fri 27th Oct 2006 03:56 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: non-free software"
aquila_deus
Member since:
2005-10-02

Non-free kernel drivers are considered illegal by many kernel developers too.

That's just FUD. GPL doesn't not forbid it being used by non-free softwares - I remember (from some book) that distributing object files and allowing them being linked by users themselves (and to choose whether to use GPL'ed lib or not) is enough to workaround the problem.

As far as I know, drivers such as nvidia's and oss/commercial's are perfectly legal, thus there is no reason not to install them for users who have problem with your holy open-source counterparts. So those who're unhappy about this could either try to sue them or STFU and stop scaring people.

I'm an ordinary linux user and I got an on-board via8237 audio chip and nvidia fx5100 card, and a non-branded dvd writer. If I choose to use open-source drivers, I'd have to tolerate high-frequency noises 24hrs a day, and have no 3D or 2D render acceleration, and cannot burn any DVD by use my DVD writer at all.

If that happens, I'd just dump linux and get windows back.

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RE[4]: non-free software
by Ookaze on Fri 27th Oct 2006 15:24 in reply to "RE[3]: non-free software"
Ookaze Member since:
2005-11-14

That's just FUD. GPL doesn't not forbid it being used by non-free softwares - I remember (from some book) that distributing object files and allowing them being linked by users themselves (and to choose whether to use GPL'ed lib or not) is enough to workaround the problem

There's no problem in this case, because they're not distributing the compiled module, and you won't distribute it either.

As far as I know, drivers such as nvidia's and oss/commercial's are perfectly legal, thus there is no reason not to install them for users who have problem with your holy open-source counterparts. So those who're unhappy about this could either try to sue them or STFU and stop scaring people

Distributing the compiled binaries is illegal. What you say is stupid : people should warn others that there's a risk of them being sued.
You'd rather these people STFU, that's sad.

I'm an ordinary linux user and I got an on-board via8237 audio chip and nvidia fx5100 card, and a non-branded dvd writer. If I choose to use open-source drivers, I'd have to tolerate high-frequency noises 24hrs a day, and have no 3D or 2D render acceleration, and cannot burn any DVD by use my DVD writer at all

This is plain FUD !
The high-frequency problem is fixed (AFAIK), there's 2D acceleration for FX5100 cards and a non-branded DVD writer doesn't prevent you to burn DVD (there's just a chance that it won't be as PnP as it should).

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RE[5]: non-free software
by aent on Fri 27th Oct 2006 15:53 in reply to "RE[4]: non-free software"
aent Member since:
2006-01-25

Considering the GPL only concerns redistributed binaries and source, whatever you do on your own computer has absolutely no restrictions unless you start redistributing the code in any form (source or binary).

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RE[5]: non-free software
by aquila_deus on Fri 27th Oct 2006 16:44 in reply to "RE[4]: non-free software"
aquila_deus Member since:
2005-10-02

Distributing the compiled binaries is illegal. What you say is stupid : people should warn others that there's a risk of them being sued.
You'd rather these people STFU, that's sad.


If I'm wrong and the compiled binaries are indeed illegal, why not sue them now to stop this forever? It sounds like those guys are just bluffing (that's SCO's style!)

This is plain FUD !
The high-frequency problem is fixed (AFAIK), there's 2D acceleration for FX5100 cards and a non-branded DVD writer doesn't prevent you to burn DVD (there's just a chance that it won't be as PnP as it should).


1.The high-freq problem is only half-solved: there is still some noise despite of the filter option in mixer (wear headphone, max volume and you'll hear)

2.nvidia driver: I mean 2D RenderAccel, which is similar to the EXA accel in newer x drivers (not in nv) Also, what about the 3D accel? Are you going to tell nvidia users that they should not play 3d games because the 3d accel driver is evil?

3.My DVD burner gives error with k3b and gnomebaker and all other dvd burning apps that are based on linux's dvd tools. Only nero works.

The point is not about how much oss projects have done, but why should anyone here use an inferior driver just because it's oss?

Remember we come for a better OS. If open-source means low-quality softwares, it would never succeed.

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