Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 5th Nov 2006 17:40 UTC, submitted by bmeurer
Xfce The Xfce development team is pleased to announce that the second and hopefully last release candidate of the upcoming Xfce 4.4 desktop is available for download now. The release focuses primarily on bug fixes and optimizations; see the release notes for a complete list of changes. The source tarballs and the graphical installer are available from the download page.
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Hope
by situation on Sun 5th Nov 2006 19:15 UTC
situation
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2006-01-10

I sure hope they keep to the core values of fast, lightweight, etc. that xfce has had for so long. From the sounds of it though, they are trying to be a new Gnome or KDE by adding all these seperate apps, new dependencies, and general "bloat".
I'll still give 4.4 a decent try when it goes final, but I think the time is approaching where xfce is no longer the light and fast alternative, instead just the smaller brother of Gnome, etc.

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RE: Hope
by buff on Sun 5th Nov 2006 19:27 in reply to "Hope"
buff Member since:
2005-11-12

I think they have stuck to keeping XFCE lightweight. The windows appear faster than under Gnome. I was testing it out and comparing it to the latest Gnome and XFCE4 has more responsive events such as opening, closing windows. On my system Gnome would pull up the window chrome (titlebar, frame) and then you could see it visually fill in the window. XFCE didn't have this visual delay it just popped into place. If you have a cutting edge system with the latest CPU, video card and 2 gigs of RAM then XFCE wouldn't really offer you a benefit since the minor window delays wouldn't be noticeable.

I think one thing to keep in mind is that XFCE comes with many beautiful themes. If you are looking for eye candy you can customize it to whatever you like, blending icons, window styles, etc. It can really look amazing if you take some time to tweak it.

I took a screenshot of RC2 running on Fedora 6. Thunar file manager is running with the XFCE Terminal application. Seamonkey browser 1.0.5 is set to the default browser and is showing the SeaGnome theme. The desktop theme is Clearlooks silver modified with Bluecurve icons:
http://markbokil.org/images/xfce4-rc2.png

Edited 2006-11-05 19:43

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RE: Hope
by cyclops on Sun 5th Nov 2006 19:29 in reply to "Hope"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

I am always wary when someone calls bloat!

Start with saying what kind of bloat!

XFCE aspires to be a fully functional desktop. It has added separate applications, and new dependencies, but define the bloat.

Clearly they have tried to put together a suite of *lightweight* alternatives to necessary applications, and most are optional.

Functionality is not bloat! Unneeded functionality is.

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RE[2]: Hope
by situation on Sun 5th Nov 2006 19:40 in reply to "RE: Hope"
situation Member since:
2006-01-10

Maybe I just want slightly more than a WM, and way less than a DE. And to me xfce used to provide that, and I'm hoping 4.4 still does.

My definition of bloat is probably not the same for you; what I consider a useless feature may be a godsend for others. I don't need an integrated file manager and graphical archiving tool. I'd rather keep the apps as separate as possible (ie: move the bare minimum into the core xfce components). All I really want is their panel, taskbar, settings panel, and that's about it. Adding apps on top of that starts to move towards a heavier DE approach where everything is included.

I haven't even tried 4.4 yet, but I might when I get home, or maybe just wait until the final version.

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RE[2]: Hope
by Doc Pain on Sun 5th Nov 2006 21:07 in reply to "RE: Hope"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"XFCE aspires to be a fully functional desktop. It has added separate applications, and new dependencies, but define the bloat."

XFCE is developing to a useful replacement for KDE or Gnome on systems that offer less ressources than "modern" PCs.

"Clearly they have tried to put together a suite of *lightweight* alternatives to necessary applications, and most are optional."

And if you want it "more lightweighter", you can simply use version 3 of XFCE. Runs still good on a 150 MHz workstation.

"Functionality is not bloat! Unneeded functionality is."

Furthermore, inefficient implemented functionality - even if needed - may be bloat.

I like the modular conception of XFCE because it's the best representation of "needed functionality". If you don't need a certain functionaliy, just remove the corresponding module. The rest of XFCE runs without any change.

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RE[2]: Hope
by Anonymous Penguin on Mon 6th Nov 2006 11:48 in reply to "RE: Hope"
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

"Functionality is not bloat! Unneeded functionality is."

Exactly! I believe that XFCE is the ideal desktop for "oldish" hardware or for modern hardware if you want something fast and yet complete.

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RE: Hope
by antenna on Sun 5th Nov 2006 20:52 in reply to "Hope"
antenna Member since:
2006-10-22

I've found it is still just as modular as it always was. Sure they've worked on a few new apps, but you still dont have to install thunar, or xarchiver or mousepad or whatever. Even gnome can be pretty stripped down to a certain extent..

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