Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 5th Nov 2006 17:40 UTC, submitted by bmeurer
Xfce The Xfce development team is pleased to announce that the second and hopefully last release candidate of the upcoming Xfce 4.4 desktop is available for download now. The release focuses primarily on bug fixes and optimizations; see the release notes for a complete list of changes. The source tarballs and the graphical installer are available from the download page.
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RE: Hope
by cyclops on Sun 5th Nov 2006 19:29 UTC in reply to "Hope"
cyclops
Member since:
2006-03-12

I am always wary when someone calls bloat!

Start with saying what kind of bloat!

XFCE aspires to be a fully functional desktop. It has added separate applications, and new dependencies, but define the bloat.

Clearly they have tried to put together a suite of *lightweight* alternatives to necessary applications, and most are optional.

Functionality is not bloat! Unneeded functionality is.

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RE[2]: Hope
by situation on Sun 5th Nov 2006 19:40 in reply to "RE: Hope"
situation Member since:
2006-01-10

Maybe I just want slightly more than a WM, and way less than a DE. And to me xfce used to provide that, and I'm hoping 4.4 still does.

My definition of bloat is probably not the same for you; what I consider a useless feature may be a godsend for others. I don't need an integrated file manager and graphical archiving tool. I'd rather keep the apps as separate as possible (ie: move the bare minimum into the core xfce components). All I really want is their panel, taskbar, settings panel, and that's about it. Adding apps on top of that starts to move towards a heavier DE approach where everything is included.

I haven't even tried 4.4 yet, but I might when I get home, or maybe just wait until the final version.

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RE[3]: Hope
by cyclops on Sun 5th Nov 2006 20:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Hope"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

The release candidates at least the first one unless there has been a regression feels better than earlier versions.

You talk about cross-purposes. XFCE *is* a lightweight Desktop environment. As far as features, are concerned you are talking about *feature bloat*, everything you need and nothing you don't.

KDE and I suspect GNOME. Can be stripped down quite heavily, because they are modular. search for kde-lite. I tried it for a time but I missed XFCE terminal application.

XFCE I would say is becoming a minimal collection of applications that fit in with XFCE i.e lightweight and fast alternatives to *common applications*.

Your feature bloat as you describe affecting it being lightweight and fast is false. The only problem I envisage is that a relatively small team, cannot evolve XFCE fast enough due to the amount of applications they need to maintain, and ends up like enlightenment.

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RE[2]: Hope
by Doc Pain on Sun 5th Nov 2006 21:07 in reply to "RE: Hope"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"XFCE aspires to be a fully functional desktop. It has added separate applications, and new dependencies, but define the bloat."

XFCE is developing to a useful replacement for KDE or Gnome on systems that offer less ressources than "modern" PCs.

"Clearly they have tried to put together a suite of *lightweight* alternatives to necessary applications, and most are optional."

And if you want it "more lightweighter", you can simply use version 3 of XFCE. Runs still good on a 150 MHz workstation.

"Functionality is not bloat! Unneeded functionality is."

Furthermore, inefficient implemented functionality - even if needed - may be bloat.

I like the modular conception of XFCE because it's the best representation of "needed functionality". If you don't need a certain functionaliy, just remove the corresponding module. The rest of XFCE runs without any change.

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RE[2]: Hope
by Anonymous Penguin on Mon 6th Nov 2006 11:48 in reply to "RE: Hope"
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

"Functionality is not bloat! Unneeded functionality is."

Exactly! I believe that XFCE is the ideal desktop for "oldish" hardware or for modern hardware if you want something fast and yet complete.

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