Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 5th Nov 2006 17:40 UTC, submitted by bmeurer
Xfce The Xfce development team is pleased to announce that the second and hopefully last release candidate of the upcoming Xfce 4.4 desktop is available for download now. The release focuses primarily on bug fixes and optimizations; see the release notes for a complete list of changes. The source tarballs and the graphical installer are available from the download page.
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RE[4]: Hope
by situation on Sun 5th Nov 2006 20:32 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Hope"
situation
Member since:
2006-01-10

"Your feature bloat as you describe affecting it being lightweight and fast is false."

I don't see how that can possibly be true. Adding more integrated components means more to load, bigger file sizes, more RAM usage, etc.

Your definition of bloat is different than mine, it's not a big deal.

I still am hoping that xfce doesn't try to keep adding integrated apps in the hope of being the next Gnome. It is a niche DE but does it's specified job very well.

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RE[5]: Hope
by rhavenn on Sun 5th Nov 2006 20:39 in reply to "RE[4]: Hope"
rhavenn Member since:
2006-05-12

I don't see how that can possibly be true. Adding more integrated components means more to load, bigger file sizes, more RAM usage, etc.

Yeah, but it's not really adding integrated components. They're adding applications that if you don't run them, just use up a little disk space.

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RE[5]: Hope
by cyclops on Sun 5th Nov 2006 20:55 in reply to "RE[4]: Hope"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

Your missing two fundamental point, because you don't understand bloat.

Xfce is made up of many components, and applications. One of these new applications is X-archiver.

When XFCE is loaded it occupies no memory.

The memory when loaded is less than that of say file-roller.

If you only use CLI tools for dealing with archives you can remove X-Archiver completely from your system and XFCE will function exactly the same as before, only without a GUI for dealing with archives.

Show me the bloat. The falsehood is that you mistake what is integrated from what is loosely coupled.

BTW Memory footprint is not the same as feature Bloat. Loading times !? is not the same as feature bloat.

Your clearly missing one of the strengths of linux wher e you can mix and match components pretty much as will, and choose the best application for *your* purposes.

Edited 2006-11-05 21:01

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RE[6]: Hope
by situation on Sun 5th Nov 2006 21:34 in reply to "RE[5]: Hope"
situation Member since:
2006-01-10

Just because you keep saying the same thing doesn't make it the proper definition cyclops. Bloat to you may be exactly what you said, bloat to me may be adding a new default theme, see what I'm saying? It's like I said before, we just have different definitions of bloat, so you don't have to keep forcing _your_ definition down my throat like it is the absolute be all end all what the word means. No where in any of my posts did I say feature bloat specifically, I just said bloat. Which to me can be memory usage, file size, number of applications, etc.

That's cool if you want to keep going in circles and all, but I've already said my hope for 4.4, so good luck with that.

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RE[5]: Hope
by dylansmrjones on Sun 5th Nov 2006 21:51 in reply to "RE[4]: Hope"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

That's because you don't grasp the technology.

You can add as many applications you want to. They only use more memory _if_ you run them.

And considering the way many KDE, Gnome and Windows applications are written, it isn't hard to write something that combines a lot of functionality with a very small size and instant reaction on user-trigged events.

Functionality bloat != Code bloat. Code bloat is always bad, and can be measured by objective criteria. Functionality bloat however is a very subjective thing.

XFCE is doing things just right. They can add as many modules they want, as long as they are exactly that: modules.

Now, say to yourself: "Modularity, modularity, modularity."

And repeat it till you fall asleep ;)

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