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General Development David Chisnall takes a look behind the scenes at Apple's upcoming revamp of the Objective-C language. As with any new language, some things are good, some are ugly, and some are both.
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Windows Compiler?
by jayson.knight on Mon 6th Nov 2006 04:24 UTC
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2005-07-06

This may be a long shot, but...

Is there a decent IDE/Compiler for Obj-C for Windows? It doesn't even need to produce Mac readable binaries, though that would be a nice plus...

::Disclaimer:: I'm 100% .Net, but looking to broaden my horizons a bit.

RE: Windows Compiler?
by bousozoku on Mon 6th Nov 2006 08:03 in reply to "Windows Compiler?"
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2006-01-23

jGrasp is the only IDE I know that works for it, outside of the NeXT/Apple tools. jGrasp runs on any Java-enabled platform, meeting the requirements, of course. Combine that with gcc to complete the environment.

I'm not sure why people are against Objective-C. It's quite nice and allows convenient syntax combining Smalltalk's idealism and C's directness.

C++ is on its way to becoming another Ada and Smalltalk is needy when it comes to execution. It seems as though Objective-C and Java have a lot to offer.

By the way, doesn't gnustep count as an example of Objective-C development anymore?

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RE[2]: Windows Compiler?
by rayiner on Mon 6th Nov 2006 18:23 in reply to "RE: Windows Compiler?"
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2005-07-06

It's quite nice and allows convenient syntax combining Smalltalk's idealism and C's directness.

Now if that isn't a statement that skirts around every possible concrete issue!

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RE[2]: Windows Compiler?
by Get a Life on Mon 6th Nov 2006 18:56 in reply to "RE: Windows Compiler?"
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2006-01-01

Idealism? Well I have no idea what that was meant to mean, but Objective-C does not embody the simplicity of Smalltalk, the purity of Smalltalk, or even the interesting design methodology of Smalltalk.

Objective-C wishes it was as dead as C++, becuase then you could at least put it into the same sentence as Java without looking ridiculous.

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RE: Windows Compiler?
by nivenh on Mon 6th Nov 2006 17:12 in reply to "Windows Compiler?"
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2005-07-06

MinGW and Cygwin both provide an Objective-C compiler for win32. You can you any number of ide's that work with either of those. Codeblocks and Dev-C++ come to mind, but there's probably several more that i'm not aware of.

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RE: Windows Compiler?
by Get a Life on Mon 6th Nov 2006 18:48 in reply to "Windows Compiler?"
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2006-01-01

Besides GCC there's also POC, but I don't know if David Stes still develops it, and it is not compatible with NeXT's extensions to Objective-C AFAIR.

Finding anything resembling a decent IDE for fringe languages is never easy. If you want to dick around with something you could always download the trial of Dolphin Smalltalk--it won't do much to broaden your horizons to the Mac world, but it would hardly be the worst use of curiosity and spare time.

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