Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 6th Nov 2006 18:26 UTC
Novell and Ximian "Someone just asked me whether, now that Novell's become buddies with Microsoft, I'll be turning away from Novell/SUSE as one of my favorite Linux distributions. My answer is no. I'm sticking with SUSE Linux on both my desktops and servers. Here's why."
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Er.... Content?
by Devilotx on Mon 6th Nov 2006 18:42 UTC
Devilotx
Member since:
2005-07-06

the only points made in defense of SLED are:

"I like the KDE 3.5.5 interface. I like -- now that's it's finally fixed -- the easy YAST update system. And, I like the combination of powerful and up-to-date software programs like Evolution, OpenOffice.org, GAIM, and Firefox."

with the exception of Yast, I've got all that on my desktop too, leaving out Yast you've pretty much hit EVERY major Distro out there... that is not a reason, that is convenience.

Fedora Core 6 has and easy update system (Yum) up to date software as well, So does Ubuntu/Kubuntu, so do Mandriva...

I dunno, maybe I'm nitpicking, but there didn't look like anything was written there to answer the "here's why" statement

I'm running "X" because it works out of the box (or would it be out of the burner?) with my hardware, gives me an up to date OS, ease of use, easy access to the software I need

You could plug any number of variables into X there and have a perfectly legitimate statement.

this article was a "bash Novell for joining with the devil, but I'll use em anyway" statement.

*sigh...*

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RE: Er.... Content?
by WarpKat on Mon 6th Nov 2006 19:03 in reply to "Er.... Content?"
WarpKat Member since:
2006-02-06

"with the exception of Yast, I've got all that on my desktop too, leaving out Yast you've pretty much hit EVERY major Distro out there... that is not a reason, that is convenience. "

And that's exactly what a customer would want - CONVENIENCE. I, for one, don't have much time during the day to compile source, choose-download-install packages on my own. This can be likened to Microsoft's update manager - whatever it's called - which downloads the updates but doesn't install them. This is a very big (in)convenience because MS has botched updates before to the point of breaking. I've yet to see one of my Linux updates go down in flames - it's a convenience. A very GOOD one.

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RE[2]: Er.... Content?
by Lunitik on Mon 6th Nov 2006 19:09 in reply to "RE: Er.... Content?"
Lunitik Member since:
2005-08-07

"I've yet to see one of my Linux updates go down in flames"

Way too broad a comment... I'd like to remind you of the Ubuntu LTS X updates a while back...

Which is exactly why people go to companies like Novell for Linux support, they have more on the line, and can be trusted more.

Similarly Red Hat of course, however they certainly don't have the support infrastructure that Novell has.

Business customers want promises and guarentees, and they want someone to blame.

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RE[2]: Er.... Content?
by twenex on Mon 6th Nov 2006 19:20 in reply to "RE: Er.... Content?"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

And that's exactly what a customer would want - CONVENIENCE.

What was it Ben Franklin said? "Those who sacrifice a little freedom in return for security deserve neither", or words to that effect. I'm not an Amnerican, so I don't have the words off pat, and I'm not going to look it up. You also have to look at whether your vendors interests are in conflict with yours. As a Linux user, Novell's may be. Not a dead cert, but they MAY be.

I, for one, don't have much time during the day to compile source, choose-download-install packages on my own.

Nor do most users; but in fact it's quite easy to set up a cron job to do this kind of thing automatically - and keeping track of what's installed is a lot easier on Gentoo (which I assume you're alluding to) than it is on, say, FreeBSD. Not only that, but once you've used a package cd to install pre-compiled packages, you can then sit and use THOSE whilst your upgrades are compiling.

I view the whole Gentoo stage 1 thing, which again I assume you're alluding to, as a "learn-how-Linux-works" thing, which can be useful if you get into trouble (with any distro). It's the same with, say, books: Most of us read them, but in order to become good at writing them, you need practice, whether you want to do it as a hobby or professionally. And if you don't set aside enough time to practice, then you won't improve any.

As a final point, it's not as if installing SUSE with everything preloaded and Gentoo's stage 1 are the only choices - there's everything in-between, too. Mandriva, for example, has a lot of preinstalled software.

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RE[2]: Er.... Content?
by Clinton on Tue 7th Nov 2006 08:27 in reply to "RE: Er.... Content?"
Clinton Member since:
2005-07-05

Maybe things have changed during the last year, but I wouldn't call YaST a convenience.

It has the promise of convenience to it; certainly. I mean it is shiny and has an asthetic, calming, "grandmother bringing you a cup of tea and a biscuit" quality to it, but once you dig in, it always leaves you wishing it were different. At least it does me.

It seems to do too much and not enough all at the same time.

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