Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 6th Nov 2006 18:26 UTC
Novell and Ximian "Someone just asked me whether, now that Novell's become buddies with Microsoft, I'll be turning away from Novell/SUSE as one of my favorite Linux distributions. My answer is no. I'm sticking with SUSE Linux on both my desktops and servers. Here's why."
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RE[2]: Er.... Content?
by twenex on Mon 6th Nov 2006 19:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Er.... Content?"
twenex
Member since:
2006-04-21

And that's exactly what a customer would want - CONVENIENCE.

What was it Ben Franklin said? "Those who sacrifice a little freedom in return for security deserve neither", or words to that effect. I'm not an Amnerican, so I don't have the words off pat, and I'm not going to look it up. You also have to look at whether your vendors interests are in conflict with yours. As a Linux user, Novell's may be. Not a dead cert, but they MAY be.

I, for one, don't have much time during the day to compile source, choose-download-install packages on my own.

Nor do most users; but in fact it's quite easy to set up a cron job to do this kind of thing automatically - and keeping track of what's installed is a lot easier on Gentoo (which I assume you're alluding to) than it is on, say, FreeBSD. Not only that, but once you've used a package cd to install pre-compiled packages, you can then sit and use THOSE whilst your upgrades are compiling.

I view the whole Gentoo stage 1 thing, which again I assume you're alluding to, as a "learn-how-Linux-works" thing, which can be useful if you get into trouble (with any distro). It's the same with, say, books: Most of us read them, but in order to become good at writing them, you need practice, whether you want to do it as a hobby or professionally. And if you don't set aside enough time to practice, then you won't improve any.

As a final point, it's not as if installing SUSE with everything preloaded and Gentoo's stage 1 are the only choices - there's everything in-between, too. Mandriva, for example, has a lot of preinstalled software.

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RE[3]: Er.... Content?
by Adam S on Mon 6th Nov 2006 20:42 in reply to "RE[2]: Er.... Content?"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

>> I, for one, don't have much time during the day
>> to compile source, choose-download-install packages
>> on my own.

> Nor do most users; but in fact it's quite easy to
> set up a cron job to do this kind of thing
> automatically

Um... easy for whom?? Who exactly can setup a cron job to download sources and compile applications? I'd venture to say that the vast majority of people IN THIS FIELD don't know how to do that.

If that's not a techie talking to a techie crowd, I don't know what is!

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RE[4]: Er.... Content?
by twenex on Mon 6th Nov 2006 20:43 in reply to "RE[3]: Er.... Content?"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

There's such a thing as KCron, you know.

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RE[4]: Er.... Content?
by somebody on Mon 6th Nov 2006 21:33 in reply to "RE[3]: Er.... Content?"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

Wow, I really wonder in which century you live:)

Up from FC5 (now FC6), I decided to have one desktop where not even one piece of software is not compiled by me, you could call it "point'n'click fun experiment"

While FC5 lacked few things FC6 lacks nothing. And it is regularly updated without any cron job or compile. I even installed 32-bit FFox2 with flash9 on it, without a single terminal usage.

The only advanced action was running Alacarte (after first boot) and disabling Terminal menu icon, so I can't mistakenly take a shortcut.

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RE[3]: Er.... Content?
by ACarlow on Tue 7th Nov 2006 00:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Er.... Content?"
ACarlow Member since:
2005-10-18

"...and keeping track of what's installed is a lot easier on Gentoo (which I sume you're alluding to) than it is on, say, FreeBSD. Not only that, but once you've used a package cd to install pre-compiled packages, you can then sit and use THOSE whilst your upgrades are compiling."

Please explain how it is "a lot easier" to see what's installed on Gentoo than typing "pkg_info". Also, every version of FreeBSD for at least the last 5 years has had pre-compiled packages as well....

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RE[4]: Er.... Content?
by twenex on Tue 7th Nov 2006 00:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Er.... Content?"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

OK, you got me there! I didn't know about that one.

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