Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 6th Nov 2006 18:26 UTC
Novell and Ximian "Someone just asked me whether, now that Novell's become buddies with Microsoft, I'll be turning away from Novell/SUSE as one of my favorite Linux distributions. My answer is no. I'm sticking with SUSE Linux on both my desktops and servers. Here's why."
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RE[5]: Er.... Content?
by Adam S on Mon 6th Nov 2006 21:38 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Er.... Content?"
Adam S
Member since:
2005-04-01

I decided to have one desktop where not even one piece of software is not compiled by me

You're joking, right? I know you are. Ha ha ha, you're funny! See, because you're implication is that everyone compiles from source right? And we know this is true.

That's why people have coded APT/DEB, Synaptic, Yum, Yast, Xandros Networks, PBIs, Click N' Run, Conary, etc. Because building from source is such a commonplace thing, right?

Most desktop users don't use cron for anything. In fact, I'd wager most don't even know what it is.

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RE[6]: Er.... Content?
by somebody on Mon 6th Nov 2006 22:24 in reply to "RE[5]: Er.... Content?"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

You're joking, right?

Yeah,... and not, more sarcastic. My typical reaction on Gentoo talk. Beside the point, there always were limits what you could do with p'n'c, no matter how many installers you mention. FC6 is the first distro, except ubuntu that went trough my test of complete desktop setup without one single line in terminal.

You see, in the past I was always setting up desktops for my non-techie friends and suddenly that became boring and troublesome (I don't have as much time to spare as I had). This is probably the reason why my brains start making hoops when I see people preaching things like cron as easy.

This is why I started testing this. To be able to predict where Joe User can slip up and limit my help to that places only.

And yeah, it is just as you say. cron, KCron, means shit to Joe User. He doesn't know what cron is, he doesn't know what to look for to install KCron. How would this be easy. Well, if a techie would hold his hand trough install. But, that would kill all reasons for my little experiment.

Lucky me, it's very rare to hear two hardcore Gentoo users talking lately. It seems like those went down the road where dodo and dinosaurs vanished and use precompiled packages now.

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RE[7]: Er.... Content?
by Adam S on Mon 6th Nov 2006 22:36 in reply to "RE[6]: Er.... Content?"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

It seems like those went down the road where dodo and dinosaurs vanished and use precompiled packages now.

Shouldn't they, though? I mean, seriously, who WANTS to compile packages? Isn't the idea to make computing easier?

I would love to never have to compile anything ever again. Installing Bugzilla was a nightmare - setting up CPAN, modifying the settings, editing the config files, installing all the modules, fighting with some of them. This kind of stuff should just go away in favor of simpler computing.

Sometimes, I think people enjoy making things difficult because it gets you into an imagined elite. But believe me, the goal of computing ought to be to make things EASIER.

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RE[7]: Er.... Content?
by twenex on Mon 6th Nov 2006 22:42 in reply to "RE[6]: Er.... Content?"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

I'm not a hardcore Gentoo user. O'm not even a techie.

I'm also not convinced that cron is easy; but for people who don't know KCron on Linux, is the Windows Scheduler any easier? The point is that SuSE Linux is far and away NOT the only "easy" Linux.

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RE[7]: Er.... Content?
by twenex on Mon 6th Nov 2006 22:50 in reply to "RE[6]: Er.... Content?"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

Most people on Gentoo compile packages to get only what they need out of a package.

There's far more "Gentoo users are elite fascist bastards" crapola from Gentoo-haters than there is "non-Gentoo users are lazy know-nothings" or even "G0sh 1'm s0 l33t I c0mp1l3 G3nt00!!!" crapola from Gentoo users. Far more.

Edited 2006-11-06 22:51

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