Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 6th Nov 2006 18:26 UTC
Novell and Ximian "Someone just asked me whether, now that Novell's become buddies with Microsoft, I'll be turning away from Novell/SUSE as one of my favorite Linux distributions. My answer is no. I'm sticking with SUSE Linux on both my desktops and servers. Here's why."
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RE[7]: Er.... Content?
by twenex on Mon 6th Nov 2006 22:50 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Er.... Content?"
twenex
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2006-04-21

Most people on Gentoo compile packages to get only what they need out of a package.

There's far more "Gentoo users are elite fascist bastards" crapola from Gentoo-haters than there is "non-Gentoo users are lazy know-nothings" or even "G0sh 1'm s0 l33t I c0mp1l3 G3nt00!!!" crapola from Gentoo users. Far more.

Edited 2006-11-06 22:51

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RE[8]: Er.... Content?
by somebody on Mon 6th Nov 2006 23:22 in reply to "RE[7]: Er.... Content?"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

I'm also not convinced that cron is easy; but for people who don't know KCron on Linux, is the Windows Scheduler any easier? The point is that SuSE Linux is far and away NOT the only "easy" Linux.

Ok, which distro comes with preinstalled KCron? If user doesn't know what cron is how would he know what KCron is? And how does user know that cron is multiuser setup by default and as such doesn't run as that user and as part of users GUI environment?

Windows Sheduler easy? No. It is not. But it is far simpler design and configuration gui comes preinstalled. Beside the fact that all the times I needed it, I got nothing but half assed done job, which can stuck anytime and not run the next day. cron is at least decent in that view.

There's far more "Gentoo users are elite fascist bastards" crapola from Gentoo-haters than there is "non-Gentoo users are lazy know-nothings" or even "G0sh 1'm s0 l33t I c0mp1l3 G3nt00!!!" crapola from Gentoo users. Far more.

You're over reacting here a little bit, but ok, I wasn't very gentle either.

Trouble I was mentioning is that gentoo users tend to preach complicated things for Joe User as simple.
1. typical user doesn't know what compiling is and not even software has to be compiled to be able to run (if it's not some interpreter)
2. typical user doesn't know that something like services exists, way of knowing which service does what
3. typical user thinks movies like hackers are real

Is windows any easier? NO. With Ubuntu I had few friends (talking about Joe User type) who were able to install complete OS without my help. They never had any success with windows. Half of drivers didn't work, etc. Face it, Joe user doesn't know drivers exist.

Since you say you're not a techie, ok, I am. I can speak in C/C++, fart in C#, breath pascal, walk in assembler,... It is now 10 years since I started administering servers. I can put together machine and apart in few minutes. So, what? I still won't say things like cron is easy for everybody.

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RE[9]: Er.... Content?
by twenex on Mon 6th Nov 2006 23:32 in reply to "RE[8]: Er.... Content?"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

I'm also not convinced that cron is easy; but for people who don't know KCron on Linux, is the Windows Scheduler any easier? The point is that SuSE Linux is far and away NOT the only "easy" Linux.

Ok, which distro comes with preinstalled KCron? If user doesn't know what cron is how would he know what KCron is? And how does user know that cron is multiuser setup by default and as such doesn't run as that user and as part of users GUI environment?


Fairly sure that Gentoo installs KCron as part of KDE. So it probably comes as standard with KDE. But you're getting hung up on cron and missing the point, which is that SUSE is not the only desktop-friendly distro. As for multiple users, well the user is gonna have to get used to that now, isn't he, given that OS X, Linux, *BSD and Vista all use multiple users properly? Or I guess he could stay with AmigaOS, BeOS (until the next major version of Haiku), 9x or XP.

There's far more "Gentoo users are elite fascist bastards" crapola from Gentoo-haters than there is "non-Gentoo users are lazy know-nothings" or even "G0sh 1'm s0 l33t I c0mp1l3 G3nt00!!!" crapola from Gentoo users. Far more.

You're over reacting here a little bit, but ok, I wasn't very gentle either.


Well, I wasn't saying that YOU were saying that - even A. Scheinberg didn't go THAT far. But the point still stands that non-Gentoo users have a far more negative view of Gentoo and its users than the reverse.

Trouble I was mentioning is that gentoo users tend to preach complicated things for Joe User as simple.

A generalization, and I don't think it's true. I don't recommend Gentoo to anyone who I don't think is proficient enough. Which is by far and away the majority. BUT Gentoo is a lot easier to fix than people say it is, and a lot bettr than other distros in this regard. There's a far wider range of software for Gentoo, for example, than there is for SUSE.

1. typical user doesn't know what compiling is and not even software has to be compiled to be able to run (if it's not some interpreter)

Even in these days of .Net, Mono, dotGNU and Java, most software is still compiled.

2. typical user doesn't know that something like services exists, way of knowing which service does what
3. typical user thinks movies like hackers are real


You're getting way off topic here.

Is windows any easier? NO. With Ubuntu I had few friends (talking about Joe User type) who were able to install complete OS without my help. They never had any success with windows. Half of drivers didn't work, etc. Face it, Joe user doesn't know drivers exist.

Since you say you're not a techie, ok, I am. I can speak in C/C++, fart in C#, breath pascal, walk in assembler,... It is now 10 years since I started administering servers. I can put together machine and apart in few minutes. So, what? I still won't say things like cron is easy for everybody.


I don't think I said "cron is easy for everybody".

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