Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 8th Nov 2006 00:03 UTC, submitted by sogabe
Zeta Only a few weeks after the first release of ZETA 1.21, Magnussoft has just announced some details of what can be expected from the next version of ZETA. According to the announcement, the central piece of ZETA 1.5 will be what magnussoft calls project MediaFire, a completely new application for CD and DVD burning, the long awaited multi-user capability and an upgraded SAMBA implementation.
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RE: Flash support
by Eugenia on Wed 8th Nov 2006 01:09 UTC in reply to "Flash support"
Eugenia
Member since:
2005-06-28

Actually, it won't. Flash is an extremely complex and close-architecture piece of software. Gnash, at best, will be like WINE is today: unstable and not fully compatible.

But the main problem is the LICENSE of the Flash creation application. Each flash animation created with Macromedia's application can only be legally viewed by Macromedia's players only. Gnash does not have the legal right to render these animation that the web is full of today.

So, GNU must also create a Creation application, not just a Player. And this is such a daunting task, that in my mind, even taking database space talking about this issue over here, is useless. It will never happen, not realistically-enough for most PC users at least.

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RE[2]: Flash support
by MechaShiva on Wed 8th Nov 2006 01:24 in reply to "RE: Flash support"
MechaShiva Member since:
2005-07-06

Being I don't have any adobe/macromedia flash creation tools to verify that assertion, it does beg an interesting question. Just because the content creator accepted such a license, why would the person who views that content be held to the same license agreement? If there is a stop gap solution that allows me to view flash media on an unsupported platform, I don't give a rats ass what agreement the creator of said content entered into.

Taken further, why would the GNASH people need to create Flash creation tools to satisfy a license they aren't bound to. They could take the same road the Kaffe/GNU Classpath people did and say it's purely academic and not intended to be a replacement technology. Maybe Magnussoft should throw some cash at the GNASH developers instead of at the adobe lawyers. Just thought.

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RE[3]: Flash support
by sogabe on Wed 8th Nov 2006 01:54 in reply to "RE: Flash support"
sogabe Member since:
2006-04-27

Is such a license actually enforceable?

BTW, the Mozilla Foundation seems to be interested in being able to bundle Gnash:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnash/2006-01/msg00197.html

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RE[4]: Flash support
by martinwguy on Wed 8th Nov 2006 11:59 in reply to "RE[3]: Flash support"
martinwguy Member since:
2006-11-08

> Is such a license actually enforceable?

no

> BTW, the Mozilla Foundation seems to be interested in
> being able to bundle Gnash:

They wussed out and are now looking at bundling the recently opensourced Adobe flash-9-only player with mozilla instead. Puuuuuuu

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RE[2]: Flash support
by Soulbender on Wed 8th Nov 2006 03:42 in reply to "RE: Flash support"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"Gnash does not have the legal right to render these animation that the web is full of today."

Just because it's in a license doesn't mean it's actually legally valid. I'm fairly certain that in most countries Adobe/Macromedia have no legal right to tell content creators how their work can be viewed. It's like if Sony said movies made in their digital cameras cant be viewed in non-Sony gear.
Now, there might be other issues, such as patents and reverse engineering, but restrictions on viewing and rendering in and of itself is most certainly not legally enforcable. Adobe/Macromedia does not own the content I have created and they have no legal jurisdiction over it.

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RE[2]: Flash support
by Touvan on Wed 8th Nov 2006 16:38 in reply to "RE: Flash support"
Touvan Member since:
2006-09-01

There are already dozens of ways to create swf files without using Macromedia/Adobe products, so that's not a problem. Please check out http://www.osflash.org for more information.

Also, I'd like to see a link to some information on that restriction that you claim is placed on swf files. I simply can't believe that such a restriction exists.

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