Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Nov 2006 22:56 UTC
Novell and Ximian "Often cast as the peacemaker in free software disputes, Bruce Perens is on the warpath. When we caught up with him, he wasn't in a mood to be charitable to Novell. On Friday the Utah company, which markets the SuSE Linux distribution, revealed that it was entering into a partnership with Microsoft. Redmond would pay Novell an undisclosed sum in return for Novell recognizing Microsoft's intellectual property claims. Novell received a 'Covenant' promising that it wouldn't be sued by Microsoft."It's a case of 'Damn the people who write the software'", he told us. "Novell is in a desperate position - it has a smaller share of the market than Debian,"" he told The Register. Update: Novell responds to community's questions: here, here and here. Update 2: Havoc Pennington's take.
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hal2k1
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2005-11-11

"After all, the reason why people run Windows is because it's where all the apps are; if Linux had all the business apps, and all the games, Windows would be nowhere, because it's technologically inferior and uneconomic in comparison. A Linux application "ecosystem" as healthy as Windows' is would also remove the "advantages" of having one company control the whole software architecture. "

Perception.

There are over 20,000 packages in the Ubuntu repositories.

All free. All available for download. All guaranteed malware-free.

That is a far healthier application availability "ecosystem" than that on Windows, from an end-user perspective.

Who could afford 20,000 packages on their Windows system?

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DigitalAxis Member since:
2005-08-28

Who seriously installs all 20,000 Ubuntu apps on their system? Besides, I don't think you're going to get very far saying 20,000 free apps when Windows ALSO has tons of homebrew free (and even Free) software out there. How much do they do? Well... probably a lot more than I think.

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hal2k1 Member since:
2005-11-11

//Besides, I don't think you're going to get very far saying 20,000 free apps when Windows ALSO has tons of homebrew free (and even Free) software out there.//

There is no resource available for Windows that gives people access to 20,000 free applications all via the one common searchable interface, and all guaranteed to contain no malware.

There is nothing comparable in the Windows "application ecosystem" to rival this. Nothing comes even close.

If you go searching for "free applications" for Windows on the web, not only will you encounter a horribly haphazard "interface", but after installing just a few you are bound to end up with adware at the least, if not far worse malware.

Read my lips. 20,000 packages for Ubuntu Linux, all installable via the same interface, all searchable in the one place with descriptions, and all guaranteed to be add free and malware free, and all available at zero cost.

The Windows "ecosystem" for applications isn't a patch on this.

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Coxy Member since:
2006-07-01

'Who could afford 20,000 packages on their Windows system?'

I think you should ask yourself who would want 20,000 programmes on their system.

Not many. People aren't going to use Linux just because you tell them there are 20,000 free programmes available. I know people who have been using Windows for about a decade and have never installed any programme, they just use what came with windows.

I'm a web designer, I use a computer every day, but to me a computer is just a tool, it's not my life or my religion.

It doesn't matter how many free beta and half finsihed GUIless apps there are available for Linux... until Adobe starts seling Linux versions of their apps (along with the Macromedia ones) and I can open an MS word file and have appear exactly they way the person who sent it to me intended I'm not switching to Linux. Without these things I wouldn't be able to work... and although I haven't done any scientific studies I'd bet that i'm not the only one.

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hal2k1 Member since:
2005-11-11

//I think you should ask yourself who would want 20,000 programmes on their system.

Not many. People aren't going to use Linux just because you tell them there are 20,000 free programmes available. I know people who have been using Windows for about a decade and have never installed any programme, they just use what came with windows. //

Agreed.

There are more than enough applications. No-one is ever going to use 20,000+ applications.

Therefore, the original argument, against which this point was originally raised, is very effectively refuted by this observation.

The original argument was that "people wouldn't use Linux because all of the applications were available for Windows". The point that there are 20,000+ packages for Linux, thoroughly covering every conceivable application area, more applications than anyone could possibly ever use, perfectly refutes that original claim.

"until Adobe starts selling Linux versions of their apps (along with the Macromedia ones) and I can open an MS word file and have appear exactly they way the person who sent it to me intended I'm not switching to Linux."

This is of course your choice. You are saying that you have hopelessly locked yourself in to a single source supplier.

Given the poor behavior that your supplier exhibits, especially to its end customers, and given your workload and overhead in trying to keep your systems "clean", I do feel very sorry for you.

Edited 2006-11-08 07:25

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