Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Nov 2006 22:56 UTC
Novell and Ximian "Often cast as the peacemaker in free software disputes, Bruce Perens is on the warpath. When we caught up with him, he wasn't in a mood to be charitable to Novell. On Friday the Utah company, which markets the SuSE Linux distribution, revealed that it was entering into a partnership with Microsoft. Redmond would pay Novell an undisclosed sum in return for Novell recognizing Microsoft's intellectual property claims. Novell received a 'Covenant' promising that it wouldn't be sued by Microsoft."It's a case of 'Damn the people who write the software'", he told us. "Novell is in a desperate position - it has a smaller share of the market than Debian,"" he told The Register. Update: Novell responds to community's questions: here, here and here. Update 2: Havoc Pennington's take.
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RE[6]: Not surprising
by NotParker on Wed 8th Nov 2006 04:32 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Not surprising"
NotParker
Member since:
2006-06-01

Most Microsoft software is characterised by being closed source, by "scoring" relatively well in considerations (1) and (2) above, but failing utterly in considerations (3) and (4) above.

Then I would have to say you are very ignorant.

Point #3: Since Microsoft doesn't give aways its server tools, the billions in revenue totally contradicts what you say. Maybe you could come up with specific examples - but you are biased anyway.

Point #4: There is no point arguing #4 if you think as you do about point #3. You are hopelessly biased.

When it comes to value I always keep this in mind: Most people would rather pay 5$ for a pirated CD of Office or Windows even when they can run Linux or OpenOffice for free.

Most people, when they buy a PC with Linux installed on it, replaces that install with a pirated copy of Windows. (Gartner study).

Microsoft software is great value for the money.


And it was Twenex who thinks all closed source software is unethical. I happen to think most cultists agree with him.

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RE[7]: Not surprising
by Xaero_Vincent on Wed 8th Nov 2006 04:46 in reply to "RE[6]: Not surprising"
Xaero_Vincent Member since:
2006-08-18

> Most people, when they buy a PC with Linux installed on > it, replaces that install with a pirated copy of
> Windows. (Gartner study).

And some go out of their way to get a refund for the OS they don't want.

http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2006/110706-dell-windows.html

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RE[8]: Not surprising
by NotParker on Wed 8th Nov 2006 06:23 in reply to "RE[7]: Not surprising"
NotParker Member since:
2006-06-01

http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5388863.html

Just to back up my reference.

"Around 80 percent of the time, Linux will be removed for a pirated copy of Windows. Pirated copies sell for around $1 in the streets of Shanghai and other cities in Asia and Eastern Europe, but can also be bought in stores selling brand name PCs."

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RE[7]: Not surprising
by hal2k1 on Wed 8th Nov 2006 04:47 in reply to "RE[6]: Not surprising"
hal2k1 Member since:
2005-11-11

"Point #3: Since Microsoft doesn't give aways its server tools, the billions in revenue totally contradicts what you say. Maybe you could come up with specific examples - but you are biased anyway"

My point #3 was:
(3) the software competes on its merits with other products and performs well in comparison

Microsoft server software does not compete on its merits. Microsoft tries its utmost to ensure that its server software is required by customers who have installed its Windows clients, by making the protocol an obscured trade secret and making its clients incapable of being served by anything other than a Microsoft server.

Therefore, Microsft servers do not compete on their merits as file servers or print servers. They rely on the preponderance of client machines being Windows machines.

A Linux server, OTOH, makes every effort to support many different kinds of clients. Unlike a Windows server, it can act as a file and print server for a Winows client, for a Mac client or for a Linux client machine. A Linux server beats a Windows server hands down as a web server or a firewall or router machine. It therefore beats the Windows server on two fronts, both compatibility and performance. It also is unencumbered by CALS.

There is a specific example for you, made on the very same software you tried to use as a counterpont.

"Point #4: There is no point arguing #4 if you think as you do about point #3. You are hopelessly biased."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
"Examples

* "You can't prove your views, so you aren't able to argue with me."


Just because you think it so does not make it so.

PS: I modded you down for the "ignorant" attempted insult. If you left this sort of rubbish out of your posts, you might actually have some credibility. Keep including it, and most readers will not see what you have to say.

Edited 2006-11-08 04:57

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RE[8]: Not surprising
by NotParker on Wed 8th Nov 2006 06:18 in reply to "RE[7]: Not surprising"
NotParker Member since:
2006-06-01

Microsoft server software does not compete on its merits.

Sql Server?
ISA Server?
Exchange?
Biztalk?
... and more

None of it competes on its merits?

You are off your rocker.

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RE[8]: Not surprising
by NotParker on Wed 8th Nov 2006 06:20 in reply to "RE[7]: Not surprising"
NotParker Member since:
2006-06-01

PS: I modded you down for the "ignorant" attempted insult.

Tough. It was accurate. You'll never admit it ... being a cult member. You might get excommunicated!

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RE[7]: Not surprising
by Xaero_Vincent on Wed 8th Nov 2006 04:49 in reply to "RE[6]: Not surprising"
Xaero_Vincent Member since:
2006-08-18

> Most people, when they buy a PC with Linux installed on > it, replaces that install with a pirated copy of
> Windows. (Gartner study).

First, Windows Vista is going to be extremely difficult to pirate with all the WGA features and activation codes.

Second, some people go out of their way to get a refund:

http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2006/110706-dell-windows.html

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