Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Nov 2006 22:56 UTC
Novell and Ximian "Often cast as the peacemaker in free software disputes, Bruce Perens is on the warpath. When we caught up with him, he wasn't in a mood to be charitable to Novell. On Friday the Utah company, which markets the SuSE Linux distribution, revealed that it was entering into a partnership with Microsoft. Redmond would pay Novell an undisclosed sum in return for Novell recognizing Microsoft's intellectual property claims. Novell received a 'Covenant' promising that it wouldn't be sued by Microsoft."It's a case of 'Damn the people who write the software'", he told us. "Novell is in a desperate position - it has a smaller share of the market than Debian,"" he told The Register. Update: Novell responds to community's questions: here, here and here. Update 2: Havoc Pennington's take.
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hal2k1
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2005-11-11

//I think you should ask yourself who would want 20,000 programmes on their system.

Not many. People aren't going to use Linux just because you tell them there are 20,000 free programmes available. I know people who have been using Windows for about a decade and have never installed any programme, they just use what came with windows. //

Agreed.

There are more than enough applications. No-one is ever going to use 20,000+ applications.

Therefore, the original argument, against which this point was originally raised, is very effectively refuted by this observation.

The original argument was that "people wouldn't use Linux because all of the applications were available for Windows". The point that there are 20,000+ packages for Linux, thoroughly covering every conceivable application area, more applications than anyone could possibly ever use, perfectly refutes that original claim.

"until Adobe starts selling Linux versions of their apps (along with the Macromedia ones) and I can open an MS word file and have appear exactly they way the person who sent it to me intended I'm not switching to Linux."

This is of course your choice. You are saying that you have hopelessly locked yourself in to a single source supplier.

Given the poor behavior that your supplier exhibits, especially to its end customers, and given your workload and overhead in trying to keep your systems "clean", I do feel very sorry for you.

Edited 2006-11-08 07:25

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Coxy Member since:
2006-07-01

These are the apps I use for work because there is nothing better. Im not locked in, these are industry standard apps that i have to use. Asking me to use a non-insdustry standard app just because it's free or opened sourced is like a programmer being asked to use f++ instead of C++ just becuase it's open and free. Anyway whenever a new programming language gets a posting here all the programmers leave comments saying it looks nice but they aren't going to switch from <insert industry standard programing language here>.

There are for example programs that would allow me to make vector images under Linux, I then have the problem that my clients don't have this product or OS. Or I can't find any printing shop that has them. Either way it causes me nothing but trouble, I then maybe need an app to convert formats... naturally some data gets lost... it just not realistic to expect people to work like this. I really do want to use linux becuase but can't at the moment.

Linux is always trying to create clones of other apps, apps that have made markets for themselves already. This is pointles, I think. Unless everyone, clients, businesses all adopt Linux on mass overnight no one is going to want to be the one to to get out of the existing process first and use Linux. If they do they will lose their clients or if they are a client not find anyone who has a compaible software.

I know there are similar apps to Adobe's under linux, but please have you tried them? Compared to what adobe offers, they're very primative and unrefined. Also I don't have time to learn a new programme, it's tools and icons.

Edited 2006-11-08 14:15

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r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

These are the apps I use for work because there is nothing better. Im not locked in, these are industry standard apps that i have to use.

You are not locked in, but can't use something else because of reason X. Absurdly contradictive.

There are for example programs that would allow me to make vector images under Linux, I then have the problem that my clients don't have this product or OS. Or I can't find any printing shop that has them. Either way it causes me nothing but trouble, I then maybe need an app to convert formats... naturally some data gets lost... it just not realistic to expect people to work like this.

Are you advocating that GNU/Linux apps be more like Windows apps? No, clearly not, because of this:

Linux is always trying to create clones of other apps, apps that have made markets for themselves already. This is pointles, I think.

So what is it? Clone to the last dot or go our own way? You can't have both.

I know there are similar apps to Adobe's under linux, but please have you tried them? Compared to what adobe offers, they're very primative and unrefined. Also I don't have time to learn a new programme, it's tools and icons.

So its just you giving in to your own inertia. You don't actually know that these programs are unrefined, as you don't take the time to learn how to use them. You just use what you already know and learned. As such, you will never be a market target for GNU/Linux, because you've dismissed it out of hand for something that you just know and works the way you've gotten used to.

I really do want to use linux becuase but can't at the moment.

Bzzt. The wrong way around. You can use GNU/Linux, but simply don't want to. All the reasons you've stated just tells us you've become accustomed to the MS world and you don't see a reason to change something that is already comfy.

You go for status quo.

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