Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Nov 2006 11:24 UTC
Novell and Ximian Microsoft will pay Novell USD 348 million up front, but Novell will return USD 200 million of that amount over five years. The specific numbers came in an a filing to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission made by Novell late Tuesday. "The financial commitments Microsoft is making as part of this agreement are significant," company CEO Ron Hovsepian said in a statement. In related news, Microsoft has denied that its patent deal with Novell is in breach of the GPL or will automatically spread Microsoft's patent protection to other Linux distributions.
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losing community faith
by milles21 on Wed 8th Nov 2006 14:52 UTC
milles21
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2006-11-08

I am a long time community supporter however , more and more I am growing disgusted with the behavior and reactions. I mean it is like a this dictator organization, I mean nevermind the people who have contributed to numerous projects and spent long hours ensuring that their open source efforts would benefit both the Linux and the windows platform. Itís like screw that any company that works with Microsoft is evil. Nevermind that Novell has opensourced a number of projects nevermind the fact that they are contributing and I donít see the problem in them making arrangements to protect their customers. Criticize the business model all you want but it will open the doors of Linux to some rather closed minded decision makers. I am tired these people who supposedly represent the community spouting off as the entire voice and oppose anything other than what they deem as right and wrong
But the whole donít back Novell, donít support SUSE, stop using it crap is the same thing that keeps Linux from effectively penetrating the enterprise because no organization has taken the backs of the customers that Linux hopes to support

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RE: losing community faith
by twenex on Wed 8th Nov 2006 15:17 in reply to "losing community faith"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

Itís like screw that any company that works with Microsoft is evil.

That's how the GPL-haters are painting it, yes. In reality, there are clear paths to complying with the spirit of the GPL which MS are not taking. So of course they are getting heat from "the open source community" who, of course, use Linux because it is a viable open source solution.

There are those who have always spread the FUD that "you can't make money off open source Linux", despite the fact that Redhat et al. have been doing that for years - BUT Novell seemingly haven't been able to.

Now, tell me, is that because of a problem with open source or because of a problem with Novell?

So now they go to MS and together they say "yes - you can make money from open source! By making it proprietary!" It's AT&T Sys III all over again.

As for openSUSE, if they make a clear statement that they will do what they can to prevent any code involved in the deal getting into openSUSE (and thus possibly infecting other Linux distros), then I will be the first to switch back. But I will NOT use them if I see them as a backdoor to get MS-patented code into Linux and thereby stop the whole show.

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RE[2]: losing community faith
by milles21 on Wed 8th Nov 2006 15:56 in reply to "RE: losing community faith"
milles21 Member since:
2006-11-08

I agree with you on the perspective of Opensuse and ensuring that code involved in the deal does not make it into the project. I feel that will likely be a given seeing how this is really an enterprise deal. I however think we must not lose site of the goal and not always react with our emotions. The Novell deal does not change Linux and there really needs to be some differentiation between the distros more that package version.

I Think as a consultant and contributor the deal is a healthy on one that now allows some CIO security (No I am not implying patent infringement but commitment) Like it or not CIO's base their budgets on interoperability and that unfortunately means MS will be involved whether it is the organization or the customers.

I think it is time we accept that everyone will not be a Redhat just as HP is not a Dell. Dell has one model, HP has another, before recently Dell was all intel , HP were both AMD and intel. The model does not affect the end goal bring a great product to the end user. Novell and Redhat same goal bringing a great Linux product to the end user.

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RE: losing community faith
by ACarlow on Wed 8th Nov 2006 18:59 in reply to "losing community faith"
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2005-10-18

I couldn't agree more. The only thing I'd add is that it is not the whole "community" but rather a portion of it that seems so "upset." I for one think this was an incredibly smart move on Novell's part and perhaps even on Microsoft's part though for entirely different reasons of course. There is also a certain amount of irony criticising Microsoft for working towards better interoperability with a Linux vendor. Kinda makes me chuckle at those are are frothing at the mouth with anger or becoming paralyzed with fear.

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RE[2]: losing community faith
by twenex on Wed 8th Nov 2006 19:13 in reply to "RE: losing community faith"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

I couldn't agree more. The only thing I'd add is that it is not the whole "community" but rather a portion of it that seems so "upset." I for one think this was an incredibly smart move on Novell's part and perhaps even on Microsoft's part though for entirely different reasons of course.

I think it's "probably not" a smart move on Novell's part. Definitely a smart move on Microsoft's.

There is also a certain amount of irony criticising Microsoft for working towards better interoperability with a Linux vendor. Kinda makes me chuckle at those are are frothing at the mouth with anger or becoming paralyzed with fear.

Well, you see, for the FOSS community, Linux is kinda sorta not the point. The point is ensuring interoperability for all players, so that none can dictate. Linux has just been FOSS's biggest strategic weapon on that front with the possible exception of the Net and/or Firefox. If that changes, we'll have to find another one.

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RE[2]: losing community faith
by Shkaba on Wed 8th Nov 2006 19:21 in reply to "RE: losing community faith"
Shkaba Member since:
2006-06-22

"There is also a certain amount of irony criticising Microsoft for working towards better interoperability with a Linux vendor"

I can't see where the irony is. What the community hopes for is for interoperability with the community, not Linux, and most certainly not a linux VENDOR. Interoperability is very easy to achieve you just adhere to published standards, and if you must re-invent the wheel so as to make slightly elliptic that you publish the focal points for everyone to be able to use, and not by signing "no-sue" agreements. Simple as that.

Excuse the irony ... pun intented.

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Edited 2006-11-08 19:35

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