Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Nov 2006 11:24 UTC
Novell and Ximian Microsoft will pay Novell USD 348 million up front, but Novell will return USD 200 million of that amount over five years. The specific numbers came in an a filing to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission made by Novell late Tuesday. "The financial commitments Microsoft is making as part of this agreement are significant," company CEO Ron Hovsepian said in a statement. In related news, Microsoft has denied that its patent deal with Novell is in breach of the GPL or will automatically spread Microsoft's patent protection to other Linux distributions.
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RE: losing community faith
by ACarlow on Wed 8th Nov 2006 18:59 UTC in reply to "losing community faith"
ACarlow
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2005-10-18

I couldn't agree more. The only thing I'd add is that it is not the whole "community" but rather a portion of it that seems so "upset." I for one think this was an incredibly smart move on Novell's part and perhaps even on Microsoft's part though for entirely different reasons of course. There is also a certain amount of irony criticising Microsoft for working towards better interoperability with a Linux vendor. Kinda makes me chuckle at those are are frothing at the mouth with anger or becoming paralyzed with fear.

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RE[2]: losing community faith
by twenex on Wed 8th Nov 2006 19:13 in reply to "RE: losing community faith"
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2006-04-21

I couldn't agree more. The only thing I'd add is that it is not the whole "community" but rather a portion of it that seems so "upset." I for one think this was an incredibly smart move on Novell's part and perhaps even on Microsoft's part though for entirely different reasons of course.

I think it's "probably not" a smart move on Novell's part. Definitely a smart move on Microsoft's.

There is also a certain amount of irony criticising Microsoft for working towards better interoperability with a Linux vendor. Kinda makes me chuckle at those are are frothing at the mouth with anger or becoming paralyzed with fear.

Well, you see, for the FOSS community, Linux is kinda sorta not the point. The point is ensuring interoperability for all players, so that none can dictate. Linux has just been FOSS's biggest strategic weapon on that front with the possible exception of the Net and/or Firefox. If that changes, we'll have to find another one.

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RE[3]: losing community faith
by IanSVT on Wed 8th Nov 2006 20:17 in reply to "RE[2]: losing community faith"
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2005-07-06

Well, you see, for the FOSS community, Linux is kinda sorta not the point. The point is ensuring interoperability for all players, so that none can dictate. Linux has just been FOSS's biggest strategic weapon on that front with the possible exception of the Net and/or Firefox. If that changes, we'll have to find another one.

As was mentioned above, edirectory, groupwise, zenworks; all are proprietary and closed source products which Novell has been offering on Suse and Redhat for years. However, you can't run either on Gentoo, Ubuntu, Debian. Where was all the uproar about this years ago?

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RE[2]: losing community faith
by Shkaba on Wed 8th Nov 2006 19:21 in reply to "RE: losing community faith"
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2006-06-22

"There is also a certain amount of irony criticising Microsoft for working towards better interoperability with a Linux vendor"

I can't see where the irony is. What the community hopes for is for interoperability with the community, not Linux, and most certainly not a linux VENDOR. Interoperability is very easy to achieve you just adhere to published standards, and if you must re-invent the wheel so as to make slightly elliptic that you publish the focal points for everyone to be able to use, and not by signing "no-sue" agreements. Simple as that.

Excuse the irony ... pun intented.

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RE[3]: losing community faith
by hal2k1 on Thu 9th Nov 2006 00:00 in reply to "RE[2]: losing community faith"
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2005-11-11

//I can't see where the irony is. What the community hopes for is for interoperability with the community, not Linux, and most certainly not a linux VENDOR. Interoperability is very easy to achieve you just adhere to published standards, and if you must re-invent the wheel so as to make slightly elliptic that you publish the focal points for everyone to be able to use, and not by signing "no-sue" agreements. Simple as that. //

Exactly.

If Microsoft really wanted interoperability with Linux, all they needed to do was have a look at the code in Linux systems (Samba, Linux, Mono & OpenOffice) and submit a few modifications to those projects.

Presto! Instant interoperability, at zero cost.

What this deal really seems to be about is that Microsoft has gone out of their way to obscure things so that Samba, Linux, Mono & OpenOffice can not fully interoperate with Microsoft products. Microsoft have made a deliberate secret here, to PREVENT interoperability.

So now, what Microsoft/Novell want to do, is to put some proprietary binary layer of code in SuSe Linux to achieve the interoperability that Microsoft themselves deliberately prevented by obscuration, and they want to charge Linux users a license fee for that binary layer.

This isn't about interoperability per se. It is about Microsoft finding a way to derive an unearned revenue stream from Linux via their customers' desire for interoperability.

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