OpenSUSE 10.2 Beta 2 has been released. "I'm glad to announce the second beta of openSUSE 10.2 codename Basilisk Lizard. It contains a large number of enhancements and updates done by the open source community and Novell's development teams. For Beta 2 we updated to OpenSync 0.20 and would ask for some testing by the community. We have prepared some testcases for specific mobile devices, like mobile phones which synchronize with SyncML, IrMC and other protocols. The testcases also include simple connection tests for Palm Devices. We would really appreciate any help and hopefully many success reports."
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RE[2]: look how the community is dividing
Member since:2005-07-06
Since you are the #1 anti Novell troll your credibility is zero here, Im sorry, just don't waste our time,
Since you don't have the attention span and intelligence to read anything beyond one sentence, and you reply to anything with the words "Troll", "Long and boring" and various other intellectually sharp comments, I find that funny.
we won't belive any kind of FUD coming from you, thx.
Who's this 'we'? You don't think anyone shares your point of view do you? Whatever view that happens to be.
Well dont for taking things even more off-topic than they already are - because you have no idea what you're talking about, or what others are talking about. As your first lesson, I suggest you look up the acronym FUD.
Member since:2005-12-28
Well if the issue is protection maybe you should be fighting the government about changing the patent laws. This seems like misdirected anger to me.
The main complaint that I seem to be running across is the patent angle. If the GPL V3 was not being worked on I would think this would not be the big deal that it has mushroomed into.
So instead of blasting companies that are trying to work within the confines of the laws and licenses maybe people should direct their energy to changing the laws instead of dictating the actions of a company.
Also you dont know if the deal was placed so MS would be legal with Novell's patents. I personally feel that this may have been initialized by Novell. But only because they had some dirt on MS violating patents that Novell holds in relation to e-directory and UNIX (SFU).
Now i'm rambling.... But it is a lively discussion none the less 
Member since:2005-07-06
Well if the issue is protection maybe you should be fighting the government about changing the patent laws.
Since Novell is such a friend of the open source community, maybe they should be doing that themselves rather than endorsing Microsoft's view of things? I'm not entirely sure what you're expecting me or anyone else to do.
This seems like misdirected anger to me.
You think wrong. I'm not too sure where you're picking up anger.
The main complaint that I seem to be running across is the patent angle. If the GPL V3 was not being worked on I would think this would not be the big deal that it has mushroomed into.
You have quite clearly done no readng around this subject.
So instead of blasting companies that are trying to work within the confines of the laws and licenses maybe people should direct their energy to changing the laws...
Errrrr, no. As an open source company relying on open source software, Novell should be taking a lead for the software that they depend on and making a stand themselves.
Also you dont know if the deal was placed so MS would be legal with Novell's patents.
Considering that Novell's customers are getting a nice covenant not to sue them (them, not Novell mind you) it's fairly clear who's getting the mindshare here.
I personally feel that this may have been initialized by Novell.
Yer. That much was admitted.
But only because they had some dirt on MS violating patents that Novell holds in relation to e-directory and UNIX (SFU).
I see no evidence for that anywhere. It was initiated by Ron Hovsepian, and considering that he and Novell have talked a lot for months about 'indemnification', it becomes pretty clear why Novell initiated this deal.
Their revenue has still been declining, Netware people are still leaving, they still have no real idea how to improve their software and turn it into sales and they need something...anything...to try and get some competitive advantage.
Telling their existing and potential customers that they're all at risk of getting sued from Microsoft, so they're getting a covenant direct from Microsoft that that won't happen, seems as good an idea as any to try and convince people.
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2005-07-06
i see headless chickens running around squarking a lot about something which they don't know the details
I see a lot of people running around mouthing off stuff like "You don't have details! You don't have details!" when those details have been pointed out.
The bottom line is that Novell's management is supporting Microsoft's campaign of FUD against open source software. Period. By all accounts, especially reading around Groklaw, this agreement is utterly meaningless which is how they plan to get around the GPL. Microsoft's Patent Pledge for Developers is a good laugh, and gives Microsoft just such a platform for spreading more FUD to unsuspecting people:
"Are you thinking of buying from a Linux distributor? I'd think twice if I were you. Look at Novell. They had to do a deal with us to ensure they were legal. Go with us. We have some coupons to sell the legal Suse distribution, but we'd be happy to sell you Windows instead."
etc. etc.
You really think that helps?
It's just a pity that OpenSUSE is being dragged through the mud here. The guys at Suse still know how to put together a first rate KDE desktop distribution.