Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 11th Nov 2006 16:53 UTC, submitted by deanlinkous
GNU, GPL, Open Source "The Software Freedom Law Center's CTO Bradley Kuhn has issued a statement regarding the Novell-Microsoft agreements and how they will impact FOSS developers. They have analyzed in particular Microsoft's Patent Pledge for Non-Compensated Developers and see little value and in fact say it's worse than useless, because it creates an illusion of safety and because it limits severely what that developer is allowed to do with his work."
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RE[2]: Novell will react
by sbergman27 on Sat 11th Nov 2006 20:01 UTC in reply to "RE: Novell will react"
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

"""The I would call you all a bunch of pathetic hypocryts, Red Hat included, how many of you are using MySQL you know the company that parnered with SCO?"""


I prefer PostgreSQL, myself.

But while MySQL AB is not my favorite company, I think you are off the mark in criticizing them for supporting the Open Server platform. In my way of thinking, it is never wrong to make OSS software work better on *any* platform, proprietary or not, and despite the community's general feeling about said platform. It helps the users of that platform by making OSS software available to them. And it makes it easier for them to transition to another platform at a later time because they can start moving to OSS applications now, and then move to another OS in a two phase migration.

Furthermore, as an OSS advocate, I'm getting a bit weary of the FS fundamentalists' constant preaching. I put them in the same class as religious fanatics who are bound and determined to save our mortal souls, and are oh so very sure of thier own moral purity.

Please stop. It reflects badly upon us reasonable folks, and makes people think we're all a bunch of loonies.

Edited 2006-11-11 20:04

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RE[3]: Novell will react
by b3timmons on Sat 11th Nov 2006 20:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Novell will react"
b3timmons Member since:
2006-08-26

"I'm getting a bit weary of the FS fundamentalists' constant preaching."

To clarify, was the article itself preaching?

I agree that "MS suckz!" rants are wearisome. But talking and thinking about ethics, complete with the notions of good and evil things, do not have to involve any religion or faith at all. Read any decent ethics book; the god(s) have nothing to do with it.

These debates would improve if people came out and stated their assumptions up front. For example, I assume that business is all about expedience. Thus anything that interferes with that, such as ethical considerations, is often brushed aside as "religion". The cool part, however, is that sometimes companies think more long-term, where ethics might be more obvious.

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RE[4]: Novell will react
by sbergman27 on Sat 11th Nov 2006 21:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Novell will react"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

"""To clarify, was the article itself preaching?"""

No. In fact, I'm generally negative about Novell's actions of late, myself. Though I am trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, for now. I suspect, though, that Hovsepian's Novell is going to be quite a different entity than Messman's Novell. The shareholders threw Messman out because he was (among other things) not acting aggressively enough to monetize that Linux thing that Novell owns. Hovsepian has an ultimatum to do so. The shareholders absolutely do not understand the environment in which Novell is acting, and I must admit that it will be a bit satisfying to me to see them all lose their shirts. Petty of me, I know. But hey! ;-)

My comments are more directed at people right here in this forum who can't seem to deal with the fact that we are all not so fundamentalist as they, and who can't seem to refrain from accusing "all of us" of being "pathetics hypocryts" [sic] for having the audicity to disagree with them about some of the many companies on their hate lists.

Edited 2006-11-11 21:44

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RE[3]: Novell will react
by l3v1 on Sat 11th Nov 2006 22:48 in reply to "RE[2]: Novell will react"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm getting a bit weary of the FS fundamentalists' constant preaching

Yeah, what about lines like - and I know I'm not quoting this for the first time, still - "secured an irrevocable promise from Microsoft to allow individual and non-commercial contributors the freedom to continue open source development"... MS, to allow, the freedom, to continue, non-commercial ?

You know what ? I'll take any amounts of FOSS preaching anytime.

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RE[4]: Novell will react
by sbergman27 on Sat 11th Nov 2006 23:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Novell will react"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

"""Yeah, what about lines like - and I know I'm not quoting this for the first time, still - "secured an irrevocable promise from Microsoft to allow individual and non-commercial contributors the freedom to continue open source development"... MS, to allow, the freedom, to continue, non-commercial ?"""

I agree that MS's motivation for making this deal was the opportunity for casting fear, uncertainty, and doubt upon the OSS alternative.

I'll add that I believe that Novell, as a publicly traded company, is acting in it's own interests and putting the good of OSS in a distant second place as a priority. (Big surprise there. I've never quite understood why Novell and their "mixed source" agenda didn't get roasted by the community before. Caldera, before they became The SCO Group, got roasted for a lot less.)

But what does your quotation above have to do with my criticism of Mitarai for accusing MySQL users of being a bunch of hypocrits? Do you think that MySQL users are a bunch of hypocrits?

Edited 2006-11-11 23:12

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