Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 17th Nov 2006 13:23 UTC, submitted by Tanked
Linux In comments confirming the open-source community's suspicions, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer Thursday declared his belief that the Linux operating system infringes on Microsoft's intellectual property. In a question-and-answer session after his keynote speech at the Professional Association for SQL Server conference in Seattle, Ballmer said Microsoft was motivated to sign a deal with SUSE Linux distributor Novell earlier this month because Linux "uses our intellectual property" and Microsoft wanted to "get the appropriate economic return for our shareholders from our innovation."
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RE: Remain Calm
by thecwin on Fri 17th Nov 2006 13:41 UTC in reply to "Remain Calm"
thecwin
Member since:
2006-01-04

VFAT/FAT32 is apparently partially patented (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAT32 if you trust WP..)

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RE[2]: Remain Calm
by leech on Fri 17th Nov 2006 14:55 in reply to "RE: Remain Calm"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

Yes, but didn't they reverse engineer the VFAT/FAT32 driver for Linux? Which would mean that it's perfectly legal.

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RE[3]: Remain Calm
by xmv_ on Fri 17th Nov 2006 15:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Remain Calm"
xmv_ Member since:
2006-06-09

no, because of the patents. well, it's legal in europe for example.

IANAL and VERY roughly, patents are there to protect ideas, or, "software ideas" in that case.

patents are an unfair system to protect innovation, else people could just copy and sell what was your original idea (that's why patents expire too, after a while, when you gained from your ideas, everyone is free to use it)

that's why europe voted against it for software, because it destroy more than it gives. people start patenting anything, browser, windows, icons, etc => no more competitivity

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RE[3]: Remain Calm
by fridrik on Fri 17th Nov 2006 15:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Remain Calm"
fridrik Member since:
2006-06-16

that's what i know: reverse engineering for interoperability purposes is just legal, no matter the patent behind it
the same goes for word .doc files and the rest

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RE[3]: Remain Calm
by SpasmaticSeacow on Fri 17th Nov 2006 15:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Remain Calm"
SpasmaticSeacow Member since:
2006-02-17

Well, yeah, the Linux implementations of NTFS and FAT/VFAT support are sort of reverse-engineered. In Linux, of course, the implementation is far different, so it's the physical format of the data on disk that's the only part that is the same.

MS may assert that even though the physical format of data on the disk is not claimed explicitly in their patents, it is implied. That is not likely to stick. Further their patents quite explicitly indicate that they are patenting a method for implementing FOR WINDOWS functionality that was already prevalent elsewhere (long filenames, for instance). Linux isn't attempting to provide this functionality to Windows.

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RE[3]: Remain Calm
by thecwin on Fri 17th Nov 2006 19:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Remain Calm"
thecwin Member since:
2006-01-04

Don't patents apply whether you reverse engineer it or not, depending on what the patent owner says? Is it not the DMCA that has reverse engineering for platform compatibility allowances?

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RE[2]: Remain Calm
by JernejL on Fri 17th Nov 2006 15:53 in reply to "RE: Remain Calm"
JernejL Member since:
2006-03-15

just their long file name implementation, not the file system.

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RE[2]: Remain Calm
by rayiner on Fri 17th Nov 2006 20:24 in reply to "RE: Remain Calm"
rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

What is that patent for, sucking?

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